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The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

77 points by defqon 5y ago

bruceb 5y ago
6s/6s Plus are great devices. Last (full size) iPhone with headphone jack. Put a case on it and it should last a long time.
- chews 5y ago
  I’d argue the original SE is magic... but it’s just a 6s crammed into the 5 case. As a mini 12 owner, I’m still sad “my spoon is still to big”.
bsorbo 5y ago
Also worth calling out that the even older (2014) iPad Air 2 will be supported by iPadOS 15. It is the lone A8-series device with 2 GB of Ram.
- my123 5y ago
  For the A8 gen: iPad mini 4 is A8 with 2GB of RAM and remains supported. iPad Air 2 is A8X (with 2GB of RAM) too and remains supported. Other devices to remain supported are Apple TV HD (A8 with 2GB of RAM) and HomePod (A8 + 1GB RAM, but no big UI to deal with). Unsupported A8 devices: iPod Touch 6, iPhone 6/6 Plus, both because of RAM size
solidangle 5y ago
This is why I bought an iPhone 12. I had a Samsung Galaxy S8 before it and I was perfectly happy with it, except for the fact that it had reached the end of its scheduled security updates. The battery life was still good enough for my light usage, it still ran my apps without a hitch, and the OLED screen still looked great, but it had not received a proper software update in over a year and it had just received its final quarterly security patch. I don't care that much for Apple products (except for MacBooks), but it's the only phone manufacturer that actually supports its products beyond the first few years.
- ajfjrbfbf 5y ago
  Why not just unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM? As you describe it your phone still worked perfectly fine.
  - addison-lee 5y ago
    I can’t speak for who you’re replying to but having to maintain my phone like that sounds awful. I have my computer that I can endlessly tinker with—I want my phone to be a phone and just work.
    - nazgulsenpai 5y ago
      This is one of the main reasons I used Windows Phone 7 phone for so many years. All of the phone features, enough smart features to make it great for work, and none of the distractions -- ironically, the things that made it a commercial failure.
  - nazgulsenpai 5y ago
    I'm an Android user for the ability to do this exact thing, but there's a huge difference in unofficial vs official software support. While you can certainly flash a custom ROM to an Android phone when software update support ends, clearly first party updates would be preferred, at least from a security perspective.
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    This is a really bold use of "just". Many people (even technically competent ones) don't want to bother, if they have other options.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Translation: “now I can never use cryptocurrency apps because I compromised my own phone and others will take advantage of that when I least expect it”
  - LanternLight83 5y ago
    As a Galaxy S8 user, I absolutely would, but I have the International Edition with a Snapdragon processor (G950U), and the only remaining (safe / reliable) root methods only apply to the models with the Exynos chip.
sandworm101 5y ago
Big deal. I just installed ubuntu 21.04 on a ten-year-old machine. There is no non-evil reason why the latest OS cannot run on yesterday's hardware.
- danaris 5y ago
  There is a huge difference between a ten-year-old laptop/desktop and a ten-year-old phone—or, more accurately, laptops and desktops have advanced a lot less in the past ten years than phones have. It would be a much better analogy if you were to say you'd installed the latest Ubuntu on a machine from twenty years ago (though even that may be generous, given that the iPhone was only 4 years old 10 years ago, while the Intel PC was roughly 20 years old 20 years ago)—and I'd expect it to work about as well as iOS 15 would on an iPhone 4.
  - mmastrac 5y ago
    Or maybe installing the latest upcoming version of OSX on a mid-2014 Macbook Pro, which if I'm not mistaken, will not work.
    - iSnow 5y ago
      It'll work if you install a piece of software that changes the device identifier. You are right though that Apple retires support after 6-7y. That surely could be longer considering how desktop/mobile CPUs have stagnated over the last 5-10y. It's just unlikely to change given Apple makes no money supporting old computers apart from repairs.
- gambiting 5y ago
  I'm not an Apple user, so I couldn't possibly care any less, but like....come on. Maintaining old hardware platforms costs time and money. "There is no non-evil reason" The reason is that someone needs to sit down, open up Xcode, and compile it for the old hardware, fix all the compilation issues that crop up, and then that OS needs to be tested on every variation of that hardware that was ever released anywhere in the world. If you don't want to do that because the userbase is dwindling and you aren't running a charity and/or open source project.....how is that evil??? Cheap, maybe even greedy - but evil??
pansa2 5y ago
While Apple are still supporting six-year-old iPhones, it's disappointing that they're dropping support for six-year-old Macs.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  Especially when some software vendors drop support of previous versions of macOS. Recently Sketch axed support for macOS Mojave, which was released less than three years ago! And it is a real problem because a lot of fine functioning computers can't be officially upgraded to newer versions of macOS, rendering them essentially useless.
  - pansa2 5y ago
    VMware Fusion is the same - version 12, released in September 2020, only supports Catalina and Big Sur. https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2088571 https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2088571
  - tokamak-teapot 5y ago
    Why do they need to be updated to newer versions? I don’t see what makes computers useless if they aren’t on the latest major release of the OS. I’m running a 2008 MacBook which works just fine for its purpose (digital audio) and isn’t on the latest OS. They’re still releasing security updates for High Sierra, which supports hardware back to 2009/10.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      Because all plugins, all samples and stencils on popular websites rarely support anything other than the later version. You can do without upgrading version of Sketch for maybe 6months, but then you'll run into problems, and in 18 months it'll be just what it is, cloud features gone, modern plugin versions gone too, no official libraries are of any use.
    - salamandersauce 5y ago
      The last High Sierra update was 7 months ago and it's now unsupported. It's not going to get anymore now that Big Sur has launched as Apple only supports 2 versions back. So no security updates for starters, software slowly starts to leave behind old versions too.
tangy_fluid 5y ago
My 6S is still going strong but I had to buy a battery case to extend the battery life.
cbmuser 5y ago
iPhone 5s (2013 IIRC) is also still receiving security updates for iOS 12.5.x.
- throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
  This is good to know. I don't care at all about using the latest iOS; if my iPhone 6S was still running the original version it shipped with, I'd never know the difference. But I do care about security updates.
  - Leherenn 5y ago
    You probably would notice, because system apps like Safari are tied into it. I'm not sure how much of the web is broken on Safari 9. Or whether iMessage or Facetime still works. I would say that's the one place where Android got it right, you can keep having updated system apps for a long time after the OS itself is abandoned (which is shamefuly quickly).
- captn3m0 5y ago
  While I love that Apple provides security updates for older iOS releases (The iOS 12.5.2 security upgrade from March[0] for eg) - Apple doesn't have any guarantees around it. The closest guarantee you get from Apple is that "iPhones on the latest iOS release are supported". The latest iOS list of supported devices is at [1], and Wikipedia[2] also considers that as the "list of supported devices", because Apple refuses to provide clear guarantees. The Apple guarantees are on service[3], and only seem to apply for Hardware issues[4]. If someone has a better citation for iPhone 5s being officially under security support, I'd love to update https://endoflife.date/iphone https://endoflife.date/iphone accordingly. [0]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212257 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212257 [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/iphone/iphe3fa5df43/ios https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/iphone/iphe3fa5df43/io... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_and_iPadOS_devices#In_production_and_supported https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_and_iPadOS_devices... [3]: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624 [4]: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/370530/is-ios-12-still-supported https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/370530/is-ios-12-s...
pixxel 5y ago
Happy 6S owner here. If I get another year I’ll be even happier. Hopefully by then the Pinephone will be ready for daily use.
hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
Highlights a much better policy than Google with respect to their Pixel phones. Pixel 2 was released at the end of 2017 and stopped getting updates at the end of 2020. I was kinda pissed, as I really felt no other compelling reason to get a later model phone. I might get a Pixel 6 when it's released later this year because 5G network availability is starting to become a real thing, but at this point I feel like only 3 years of support for a flagship phone is bullshit.
- iSnow 5y ago
  Same for Sony. Got like 2.5y support and that's it, not even regular security updates. I am thinking about switching to iPhones. I just hope the anti-trust case forces Apple to allow other App stores or side-loading. That and the back button is what keeps me on Android, and I am sure I could accustomed to whatever gesture means "back" on iOS.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    > whatever gesture means "back" on IOS Swipe right from the left edge of the screen.
    - iSnow 5y ago
      Thanks!
    - kemayo 5y ago
      Not really! There's not an iOS equivalent to the Android "back" concept. On Android pressing "back" will take you to the last screen you were on; importantly this might be in the same app or a different one. It'll also do things like dismiss popups and hide the keyboard, since that's also moving back to a previous state. The back-swipe on iOS is the equivalent of the Android "up" button, in that it's specific to the current app. It's also only going to work if the current app is deliberately supporting it, of course -- they might have their own UI chrome that doesn't respond to a swipe. The other half of the "back" button behavior on iOS is that you can swipe left/right across the bottom of the screen to cycle between apps. (Or there's a special back-button in the toolbar if you've just followed a link that took you between apps.) So it does need more intentional-knowledge about what you mean to achieve.
heisenbit 5y ago
It is worth noting that not all iPhones are bought on day 1. 6s was discontinued September 12, 2018 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6S https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6S) and customers may have bought these phones later.
- kps 5y ago
  The non-S iPhone 6 was discontinued at the same time, and did not even get iOS 13 one year later.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    The 6S has 2GB of RAM versus the 1GB of the 6, probably the principle differentiator here as otherwise the specs look pretty comparable (6S also has 2 more GPU cores and a faster CPU clock rate which may be other contributing factors).
  - tompazourek 5y ago
    That's sad, but it's at least getting security updates for iOS 12, and quite frequently.
- pansa2 5y ago
  > 6s was discontinued September 12, 2018 Looks like they were still being manufactured and sold in some regions until at least August 2019. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/apples-new-repair-program-covers-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus-phones-that-wont-turn-on/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/apples-new-repair-pr...
incanus77 5y ago
My first-gen SE (same age as the 6S) is also supported and doing just fine. Second screen, third battery, works great for everything except spending extended idle entertainment time on it, which is why I still use it.
- jdmoreira 5y ago
  Do you use airpods with it? Curious about how that experience would be
  - incanus77 5y ago
    I do! First gen. Works just fine. But I also occasionally use regular earbuds via... the headphone jack.
CalChris 5y ago
Instead of thinking of this as a six-year-old iPhone, from the release date, consider when Apple stopped selling the 6S and the SE. In the case of the SE, that was March 2019, a little more than two years ago.
dehrmann 5y ago
I wonder if anything about the hardware (really, the CPU) makes it easier to get modern iOS to run on it. Over in PC land, everything since the Pentium Pro has been modern enough that mainstream Linux distros support it out-of-the-box. That's 25 years of support. Supposedly FreeBSD still has 486 support.
smoldesu 5y ago
I'm not actually super surprised by this. Considering that they didn't really update the system in any way that might push the current performance envelope, who's really surprised? Apple has done this for decades, and when they announce that iOS 16 is getting $KILLER_FEATURE they'll also unveil the heartbreaking announcement that the 6S is being sunsetted.
- defaultname 5y ago
  And zero people are at all surprised that you appeared to try to somehow spin this as a negative. It has become cartoonish at this point.
  - russelldjimmy 5y ago
    This is simply what I’ve come to expect of HN xD. I agree with you.
- akmarinov 5y ago
  A phone can only last for so long, I imagine their number would be significantly reduced after 4 years of not selling them.
elzbardico 5y ago
I moved from Iphone to android after the Iphone 5S. I had so many android devices after that, I don't even remember for which one. But for me android devices are good for one, two years, even when they have updates. Now just got back to apple world with a 12 Pro Max. I expect it to be still fast and responsible long after most flagship androids from the same vintage will have been neglected to the role of paper weights.
sys_64738 5y ago
I just got a new battery for my 6S for 49 bucks. A bargain.

77 points by defqon 5y ago

6s/6s Plus are great devices. Last (full size) iPhone with headphone jack. Put a case on it and it should last a long time.

chews 5y ago
I’d argue the original SE is magic... but it’s just a 6s crammed into the 5 case. As a mini 12 owner, I’m still sad “my spoon is still to big”.

bsorbo 5y ago

Also worth calling out that the even older (2014) iPad Air 2 will be supported by iPadOS 15. It is the lone A8-series device with 2 GB of Ram.

my123 5y ago
For the A8 gen: iPad mini 4 is A8 with 2GB of RAM and remains supported. iPad Air 2 is A8X (with 2GB of RAM) too and remains supported. Other devices to remain supported are Apple TV HD (A8 with 2GB of RAM) and HomePod (A8 + 1GB RAM, but no big UI to deal with). Unsupported A8 devices: iPod Touch 6, iPhone 6/6 Plus, both because of RAM size

solidangle 5y ago

This is why I bought an iPhone 12. I had a Samsung Galaxy S8 before it and I was perfectly happy with it, except for the fact that it had reached the end of its scheduled security updates. The battery life was still good enough for my light usage, it still ran my apps without a hitch, and the OLED screen still looked great, but it had not received a proper software update in over a year and it had just received its final quarterly security patch. I don't care that much for Apple products (except for MacBooks), but it's the only phone manufacturer that actually supports its products beyond the first few years.

ajfjrbfbf 5y ago
Why not just unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM? As you describe it your phone still worked perfectly fine.
- addison-lee 5y ago
  I can’t speak for who you’re replying to but having to maintain my phone like that sounds awful. I have my computer that I can endlessly tinker with—I want my phone to be a phone and just work.
  - nazgulsenpai 5y ago
    This is one of the main reasons I used Windows Phone 7 phone for so many years. All of the phone features, enough smart features to make it great for work, and none of the distractions -- ironically, the things that made it a commercial failure.
- nazgulsenpai 5y ago
  I'm an Android user for the ability to do this exact thing, but there's a huge difference in unofficial vs official software support. While you can certainly flash a custom ROM to an Android phone when software update support ends, clearly first party updates would be preferred, at least from a security perspective.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  This is a really bold use of "just". Many people (even technically competent ones) don't want to bother, if they have other options.
- vmception 5y ago
  Translation: “now I can never use cryptocurrency apps because I compromised my own phone and others will take advantage of that when I least expect it”
- LanternLight83 5y ago
  As a Galaxy S8 user, I absolutely would, but I have the International Edition with a Snapdragon processor (G950U), and the only remaining (safe / reliable) root methods only apply to the models with the Exynos chip.

sandworm101 5y ago

Big deal. I just installed ubuntu 21.04 on a ten-year-old machine. There is no non-evil reason why the latest OS cannot run on yesterday's hardware.

danaris 5y ago
There is a huge difference between a ten-year-old laptop/desktop and a ten-year-old phone—or, more accurately, laptops and desktops have advanced a lot less in the past ten years than phones have. It would be a much better analogy if you were to say you'd installed the latest Ubuntu on a machine from twenty years ago (though even that may be generous, given that the iPhone was only 4 years old 10 years ago, while the Intel PC was roughly 20 years old 20 years ago)—and I'd expect it to work about as well as iOS 15 would on an iPhone 4.
- mmastrac 5y ago
  Or maybe installing the latest upcoming version of OSX on a mid-2014 Macbook Pro, which if I'm not mistaken, will not work.
  - iSnow 5y ago
    It'll work if you install a piece of software that changes the device identifier. You are right though that Apple retires support after 6-7y. That surely could be longer considering how desktop/mobile CPUs have stagnated over the last 5-10y. It's just unlikely to change given Apple makes no money supporting old computers apart from repairs.
gambiting 5y ago
I'm not an Apple user, so I couldn't possibly care any less, but like....come on. Maintaining old hardware platforms costs time and money. "There is no non-evil reason" The reason is that someone needs to sit down, open up Xcode, and compile it for the old hardware, fix all the compilation issues that crop up, and then that OS needs to be tested on every variation of that hardware that was ever released anywhere in the world. If you don't want to do that because the userbase is dwindling and you aren't running a charity and/or open source project.....how is that evil??? Cheap, maybe even greedy - but evil??

pansa2 5y ago

While Apple are still supporting six-year-old iPhones, it's disappointing that they're dropping support for six-year-old Macs.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
Especially when some software vendors drop support of previous versions of macOS. Recently Sketch axed support for macOS Mojave, which was released less than three years ago! And it is a real problem because a lot of fine functioning computers can't be officially upgraded to newer versions of macOS, rendering them essentially useless.
- pansa2 5y ago
  VMware Fusion is the same - version 12, released in September 2020, only supports Catalina and Big Sur. https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2088571 https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2088571
- tokamak-teapot 5y ago
  Why do they need to be updated to newer versions? I don’t see what makes computers useless if they aren’t on the latest major release of the OS. I’m running a 2008 MacBook which works just fine for its purpose (digital audio) and isn’t on the latest OS. They’re still releasing security updates for High Sierra, which supports hardware back to 2009/10.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    Because all plugins, all samples and stencils on popular websites rarely support anything other than the later version. You can do without upgrading version of Sketch for maybe 6months, but then you'll run into problems, and in 18 months it'll be just what it is, cloud features gone, modern plugin versions gone too, no official libraries are of any use.
  - salamandersauce 5y ago
    The last High Sierra update was 7 months ago and it's now unsupported. It's not going to get anymore now that Big Sur has launched as Apple only supports 2 versions back. So no security updates for starters, software slowly starts to leave behind old versions too.

tangy_fluid 5y ago

My 6S is still going strong but I had to buy a battery case to extend the battery life.

cbmuser 5y ago

iPhone 5s (2013 IIRC) is also still receiving security updates for iOS 12.5.x.

throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
This is good to know. I don't care at all about using the latest iOS; if my iPhone 6S was still running the original version it shipped with, I'd never know the difference. But I do care about security updates.
- Leherenn 5y ago
  You probably would notice, because system apps like Safari are tied into it. I'm not sure how much of the web is broken on Safari 9. Or whether iMessage or Facetime still works. I would say that's the one place where Android got it right, you can keep having updated system apps for a long time after the OS itself is abandoned (which is shamefuly quickly).
captn3m0 5y ago
While I love that Apple provides security updates for older iOS releases (The iOS 12.5.2 security upgrade from March[0] for eg) - Apple doesn't have any guarantees around it. The closest guarantee you get from Apple is that "iPhones on the latest iOS release are supported". The latest iOS list of supported devices is at [1], and Wikipedia[2] also considers that as the "list of supported devices", because Apple refuses to provide clear guarantees. The Apple guarantees are on service[3], and only seem to apply for Hardware issues[4]. If someone has a better citation for iPhone 5s being officially under security support, I'd love to update https://endoflife.date/iphone https://endoflife.date/iphone accordingly. [0]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212257 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212257 [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/iphone/iphe3fa5df43/ios https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/iphone/iphe3fa5df43/io... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_and_iPadOS_devices#In_production_and_supported https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_and_iPadOS_devices... [3]: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624 [4]: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/370530/is-ios-12-still-supported https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/370530/is-ios-12-s...

pixxel 5y ago

Happy 6S owner here. If I get another year I’ll be even happier. Hopefully by then the Pinephone will be ready for daily use.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

Highlights a much better policy than Google with respect to their Pixel phones. Pixel 2 was released at the end of 2017 and stopped getting updates at the end of 2020. I was kinda pissed, as I really felt no other compelling reason to get a later model phone. I might get a Pixel 6 when it's released later this year because 5G network availability is starting to become a real thing, but at this point I feel like only 3 years of support for a flagship phone is bullshit.

iSnow 5y ago
Same for Sony. Got like 2.5y support and that's it, not even regular security updates. I am thinking about switching to iPhones. I just hope the anti-trust case forces Apple to allow other App stores or side-loading. That and the back button is what keeps me on Android, and I am sure I could accustomed to whatever gesture means "back" on iOS.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  > whatever gesture means "back" on IOS Swipe right from the left edge of the screen.
  - iSnow 5y ago
    Thanks!
  - kemayo 5y ago
    Not really! There's not an iOS equivalent to the Android "back" concept. On Android pressing "back" will take you to the last screen you were on; importantly this might be in the same app or a different one. It'll also do things like dismiss popups and hide the keyboard, since that's also moving back to a previous state. The back-swipe on iOS is the equivalent of the Android "up" button, in that it's specific to the current app. It's also only going to work if the current app is deliberately supporting it, of course -- they might have their own UI chrome that doesn't respond to a swipe. The other half of the "back" button behavior on iOS is that you can swipe left/right across the bottom of the screen to cycle between apps. (Or there's a special back-button in the toolbar if you've just followed a link that took you between apps.) So it does need more intentional-knowledge about what you mean to achieve.

heisenbit 5y ago

It is worth noting that not all iPhones are bought on day 1. 6s was discontinued September 12, 2018 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6S https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6S) and customers may have bought these phones later.

kps 5y ago
The non-S iPhone 6 was discontinued at the same time, and did not even get iOS 13 one year later.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  The 6S has 2GB of RAM versus the 1GB of the 6, probably the principle differentiator here as otherwise the specs look pretty comparable (6S also has 2 more GPU cores and a faster CPU clock rate which may be other contributing factors).
- tompazourek 5y ago
  That's sad, but it's at least getting security updates for iOS 12, and quite frequently.
pansa2 5y ago
> 6s was discontinued September 12, 2018 Looks like they were still being manufactured and sold in some regions until at least August 2019. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/apples-new-repair-program-covers-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus-phones-that-wont-turn-on/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/apples-new-repair-pr...

incanus77 5y ago

My first-gen SE (same age as the 6S) is also supported and doing just fine. Second screen, third battery, works great for everything except spending extended idle entertainment time on it, which is why I still use it.

jdmoreira 5y ago
Do you use airpods with it? Curious about how that experience would be
- incanus77 5y ago
  I do! First gen. Works just fine. But I also occasionally use regular earbuds via... the headphone jack.

CalChris 5y ago

Instead of thinking of this as a six-year-old iPhone, from the release date, consider when Apple stopped selling the 6S and the SE. In the case of the SE, that was March 2019, a little more than two years ago.

dehrmann 5y ago

I wonder if anything about the hardware (really, the CPU) makes it easier to get modern iOS to run on it. Over in PC land, everything since the Pentium Pro has been modern enough that mainstream Linux distros support it out-of-the-box. That's 25 years of support. Supposedly FreeBSD still has 486 support.

smoldesu 5y ago

I'm not actually super surprised by this. Considering that they didn't really update the system in any way that might push the current performance envelope, who's really surprised? Apple has done this for decades, and when they announce that iOS 16 is getting $KILLER_FEATURE they'll also unveil the heartbreaking announcement that the 6S is being sunsetted.

defaultname 5y ago
And zero people are at all surprised that you appeared to try to somehow spin this as a negative. It has become cartoonish at this point.
- russelldjimmy 5y ago
  This is simply what I’ve come to expect of HN xD. I agree with you.
akmarinov 5y ago
A phone can only last for so long, I imagine their number would be significantly reduced after 4 years of not selling them.

elzbardico 5y ago

I moved from Iphone to android after the Iphone 5S. I had so many android devices after that, I don't even remember for which one. But for me android devices are good for one, two years, even when they have updates. Now just got back to apple world with a 12 Pro Max. I expect it to be still fast and responsible long after most flagship androids from the same vintage will have been neglected to the role of paper weights.

sys_64738 5y ago

I just got a new battery for my 6S for 49 bucks. A bargain.