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Dog ejected from car during Sunday crash found on sheep farm, herding sheep
- enriquto 5y ago> We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact q6news@khq.com or call 509-448-6000. Why do they do that? It seems to be a news website, which holds read-only content. Readers are not "users", I don't see how the GDPR can apply here.
- Reason077 5y agoHas anyone tried calling them?
- jraph 5y agoYeah, seriously. "We recognize that we want to be tracking the hell out of you and unfortunately you live in a regulated area where there are laws somewhat trying to protect you." Anyway, fellow European netizens, you can read this here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210610163014/https://www.khq.com/news/dog-ejected-from-car-during-sunday-crash-found-on-sheep-farm-herding-sheep/article_fc15bfe6-c805-11eb-ae68-7fb69c0af0d6.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210610163014/https://www.khq.c...
- neonate 5y agohttps://archive.md/FY96u https://archive.md/FY96u
- stanfordkid 5y agoThis is kind of a weird article to make frontpage of HN
- onychomys 5y agoWho among us hasn't dreamed of deleting the IDEs from our computers and going off to be a shepherd? This dog is living the life we all wish we had.
- MangoCoffee 5y agonah, our instinct to herding bugs and new features is too strong.
- a3n 5y agoOr a lumberjack. In the forests of British Columbia.
- ergot_vacation 5y agoIt is. I mean don't get me wrong, I got a sensible chuckle out of it. But this isn't really technology related in any way, unless the dog has a startup we don't know about.
- ethanbond 5y agoDogs themselves are very much a technology for humans. As evidenced by their “instinct” to do useful things for us like herding! Certainly stretching a bit, but the article is an interesting commentary on one of our most primitive technologies. (Or you can consider the selective breeding process itself to be the technology powering this)
- throwaw29125432 5y agoSo its a Dang Dog! (herds sheep like Dang herds us!)
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- ot 5y agoIt's always mindblowing to me that we've been able to encode such complex behaviors into instincts just by selective breeding over a few hundred generations. Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox
- sambroner 5y agoSeriously... there's nature vs nurture, but the nature of this dog is clearly to herd sheep.
- LanceH 5y agoI believe the herding instinct was already there for the purpose of hunting. The hunting and kill has been bred out of them and the herding/separating remains.
- PaulAJ 5y agoActually its been bred out with extreme prejudice. Any sheepdog that bites a sheep gets shot. No second chances. Its a part of the job that shepherds absolutely hate because these dogs are really close and highly valued family members. But its the only way.
- alistairSH 5y ago*But its the only way." Are these dogs unsuitable as pets (for non-farming households)?
- dreamcompiler 5y agoSometimes. Border collies will happily herd your children if no sheep are available. You wouldn't want one that had bitten a sheep.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago>Are these dogs unsuitable as pets (for non-farming households)? Does the household have any toddlers to herd? Working dogs that are not elderly to the point where they prefer to sit on their butts all day generally make terrible pets. Ones that are bred to herd animals and have been kicked out for biting them even more so.
- Lucasoato 5y ago> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons > We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact q6news@khq.com or call 509-448-6000. What about a correct usage of people's data?
- natpalmer1776 5y agoI really don't think a local news website from Spokane Washington can be expected to place international laws as a high priority. Even if they already practiced correct usage of people's data (unlikely) having someone on-staff that understands those laws enough to communicate the requirements to whoever is developing & hosting their IT infrastructure just to get confirmation of compliance is enough of an economic deterrent to make the landing page you see seem like a more reasonable solution.
- guitarbill 5y agoAnd yet they understand the law enough to block EU access? As "a local news website from Spokane Washington", why even bother? I think some scepticism is valid here.
- kube-system 5y agoIt's a local news station in another country. There are undoubtably many local businesses in your country that will not do business with me because they don't comply with the legal requirements of doing business in my country. Not every company is financially able to have global legal compliance.
- pkaye 5y agoDog: This is my life meow.
- anthony_r 5y agoCute. But this so much doesn't belong here.
- duxup 5y agoI grew up with a friend who had some horses and cattle. Their cutting horse (used to manage cattle) had an incredible motivation to do it job, all the time, and maybe a bit too much. More than once we'd look out from their living room window only to see the cattle racing across field (not a common thing) and the cutting horse (who had escaped from another field) happily chasing after them. Or everyone wondering where the cattle were, only to find the cutting horse had them all gathered up at the corner of a field. Poor cows seemed pretty tired of that horse's antics.
- mywacaday 5y agoMy neighbor had a dog for herding 200+ cows in for milking morning and evening, they had to sell him because he kept bringing.in the cows when he could slip away from the farmer, they couldn't get him to stop, instinct is a powerful thing.
- treeman79 5y agoOverachiever. Give that dog a heard of 20,000 cattle.
- majormunky 5y agoHuh, this happened about a mile from my house.
- rossdavidh 5y agoAre you missing any sheep?
- Ccecil 5y agoHello....fellow Kootenai county resident :)
- vijaybritto 5y agoWhat a feel good story! I'm glad he's safe and still grinding!
- LightG 5y agoNext step: cat videos and I'm here for it. Can I haz the HN cat videos?
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoSure. I'll fire up a bash shell and type a few commands for you...
- jonplackett 5y agoWe had a collie (sheep dog) when I was a kid. The first time I took it out as a puppy, I threw a ball, and it ran around to the other side in a big arc and lay down looking at it. I shouted “get it” and it ran in and grabbed it. Herding behaviour is just baked right in there now!
- adwww 5y agoMy cousins had collies as working dogs. I spent lots of time with the dogs whenever I visited. My favourite was watching them herd rabbits for fun when we went for walks - working as a team to flush them out of hedgerows and then chase them around for a bit.
- MrGilbert 5y agoIn case you are in Europe, and would like to read the article - the internet archive got you covered: https://web.archive.org/web/20210610163014/https://www.khq.com/news/dog-ejected-from-car-during-sunday-crash-found-on-sheep-farm-herding-sheep/article_fc15bfe6-c805-11eb-ae68-7fb69c0af0d6.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210610163014/https://www.khq.c...
- KhoomeiK 5y agoIt blows me away that people can see things like this and still deny any genetic basis for certain cognitive features in humans.
- wizzwizz4 5y agoHumans haven't had multiple generations of selective breeding to select for particular cognitive traits. We have, however, had: • Sunburn / vitamin D deficiency • Oxygen deprivation at high altitudes • Free diving which have had obvious effects on certain human populations. But mentally, we're all pretty much just human, same as any other; variation is massive, yes, but it can be pretty big between siblings. Seeing “sheep dog breeds have a herding instinct” doesn't tell you much about humans. When people try to argue a “genetic basis” for a particular trait, they're usually just trying to justify racism.
- newfriend 5y agoExactly. Different populations of humans vary wildly by almost every physical trait, such as height, build, bone structure, skin, hair type, eye color, muscle fiber. But when it comes to the brain, we are all exactly the same.
- sudosysgen 5y agoMuscle fiber variations across humans are pretty small. They're really only very noticeable as far as the extremes, or in quite small populations. Similarly, hair types are barely different. But to tell you a story, the village my ancestors lived in for centuries had people with smooth blond hair and people like me with extremely stiff black hair. Same for eye color. Anyways, I digress, these are generally single-gene variations which is why you will find most of the variation in most populations. Height and build is an interesting one. For most of history heights were very similar across populations. Actually, the only exception we know of were Anglo-Saxon settlers, and some peoples in South-East Asia. This suggests that people even in extremely remote places had incredibly similar evolutionary pressures that led to almost identical heights. But nowadays, the specificities of the impact on a changing diet are different [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/20780389.2012.657489 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/20780389.2012.65...]. Skin is really the biggest one, because Vitamin-D deficiency and skin cancer are huge evolutionary pressures. But as we've seen, otherwise it's pretty clear humans evolved in broadly similar environments and found very similar tradeoffs. This is especially true for intelligence where the biggest load for intelligence was social interactions, and where social structures are very similar.
- aerovistae 5y agoFeels very strange to see this article on hacker news at all, let alone at the top. Not saying it shouldn't be here -- generally I feel anything that people here find interesting should be here -- but rather that I'm surprised people here find this interesting.
- BrandoElFollito 5y agoI recently started to watch youtube videos of painting restoration and cow hoof trimming. I cannot draw a straight line and was never close to a cow but somehow I find it interesting to watch what others do (when they are passionate about this) and you learn plenty of things. This is to say that what people find interesting is sometimes surprising (I am also a huge fan of French Middle Age sociology, not sure why after years of reading about the subject)
- drubio 5y agoI found it more interesting that while the story focuses on the positives of social media -- even the dog owner says so in the interview. The HN comments are mostly on dog instincts, genetics and breeding. It looks like the story got upvoted for other interesting reasons and not the original intent as a feel good social media story.
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoNo onboarding necessary!
- SN76477 5y agodoggos gonna doggo
- u801e 5y agoWas the dog ejected because it was not in a crate that was properly secured in the vehicle? I've seen so many people driving with their pets freely roaming around in the vehicle.
- Ccecil 5y agoIt was in the back of a pickup IIRC. Quite common around the area.
- dmurray 5y agoI bet it wasn't wearing a crash helmet, either. I've seen so many people driving without one.
- ddalex 5y agoif you have an unsecured dog in the car, definitely you need a helmet cause that dog will become a projectile in any serious accident
- macintux 5y agoWe have seatbelts and airbags. Dogs have their spines. I recall a fellow who built what were effectively “wheelchairs” for his dachshunds after he was in an accident and their backs were broken, leaving them paraplegics.
- kokanator 5y agoThis is a sincere issue. Most dogs are not fit or trained to ride unsecured in a vehicle. The one exception I have found for this are cattle dogs in the American west who are basically raised and live on the back of a truck. These trucks often don't every leave the dirt road. Dogs which are not secured will be injured, injure a passenger or both during a collision. Ever see a dead dog on a freeway? Most of them have jumped out of a truck or car window.
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- PaulAJ 5y agoThis can be a serious problem. Border collies (this dog was a border-collie cross) are bred for sheep herding. However an out-of-control dog doing its herding thang can cause a flock to squeeze so tight for so long that sheep die of stress, heat or exhaustion.
- alanbernstein 5y agoHas anyone else noticed that local news websites never put their location in a prominent place on the page? This one includes a Washington address in the footer, which I guess is at least within one state of the event? Half the time there is zero indication of where the station is in the country... or even the world, although US/Canada/UK/Australia is usually more obvious from context.
- asimjalis 5y agoThis is a problem. I noticed that it mentioned Spokane in the weather panel on the right. They know where they are. So it is easy to assume that everyone else does as well. Most people (myself included) find it hard to appreciate that anything online is accessible from anywhere in the world. I still find it spooky that I can buy on Amazon or get rides on Uber in Iceland and in the UK.
- kyleblarson 5y agoI have a high drive Australian Shepherd. When he was 9 months old I took him to a sheep farm that trains herding dogs. To see him immediately switch from derpy puppy to full on herding mode as soon as he saw sheep was pretty amazing.
- spywaregorilla 5y agoWhat does it mean for a dog to be herding sheep without a human indicating what to do?
- malkia 5y agoOur dog often "sheep"-herds us - when we are walking - often going around us, trying to put us in a "circle". He's a shih-poo dog rescue (or that's what we've been told). When one of us goes astray, he stops and checks that we are all in form :) - lol
- Tiktaalik 5y agoLiving his best life man
- trapexit 5y agoOne of our border collies comes from a working line; both of her parents were working sheepdogs on a farm in Ireland. We once walked her through a field in Scotland that had a couple dozen sheep scattered about. Of course we kept her on a short leash and stuck to the public footpath. Nevertheless, by the time we'd reached the other side of the field, she had somehow managed to round up the entire flock.
- Ccecil 5y agoIt always surprises me when I see my local news on HN...this happened within 2 miles of my shop. Glad to see they found the dog :)
- zwieback 5y agoIt's in ROM, can't be erased.
- jb1991 5y agoOff topic but since it affects this article and several are posting archive.org links, I just find this kind of error message ridiculous: > 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons > We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact q6news@khq.com or call 509-448-6000. I mean really, what is the big deal about allowing a no-cookie visit?
- durnygbur 5y agoThey'd rather sell their children to ISIS than serve a plain HTML with no ads. Monetization on the web is no joke.
- MinorTom 5y agoEven if you don't care about advertising to EU visitors implementing GDPR costs money. (But since a consent-management-system is useful for compliance with California's privacy law it'd make sense to allow EU visitors as well.)
- ddek 5y agoHerding dogs are like that. When I was about 5, we took our 1yo Bernese Mountain into a field with grazing cattle. Being young and boisterous, and of a cattle herding breed, he naturally rounded them up fairly quickly. Cows are smart though. The next time we were in the field, the same cows split up and rounded him into a corner.
- tyingq 5y agoInteresting, though a border collie with "no tail" is probably an Australian Shepherd.
- kokanator 5y agoMy other career is breeding working dogs. After observing hundreds of dogs I can tell you breed traits do not disappear just because we make the dog a house pet. Sometimes the traits will remain dormant and simply need to be 'unlocked' through exposure the environment/conditions the dog was selectively breed for. Thus, when a collie is exposed to a herd of sheep, even if it never herded before, it will herd those sheep. Once this herding behavior is unlocked the dog will begin to herd everything. This is why we hear stories of dogs which descend from fighting, war or defense breed that 'suddenly' become aggressive and violent. They are simply expressing all of those generations of selective pressure. Dogs and genetics are truly amazing things.
- odshoifsdhfs 5y agoI couldn’t find a contact email. If you don’t mind, would love to chat about this. Brunomtsousa at goog-email-service you know the one ;)
- dusted 5y agoOh! My first "451: Unavailable due to legal reasons" I love the future.
- himinlomax 5y agoIt's infuriating and so disingenuous to say it is unavailable for "legal reason". It's unavailable because the website does not want to respect their users' privacy is what it is.
- SimeVidas 5y ago451: Unavailable due to legal reasons in Europe.
- cogman10 5y agoThe instinct of some dogs to herd is amazing. One memorable experience I have is working on a farm shoveling stuff. As I was working, I suddenly found myself surrounded by chickens and chicks. The farm dog had gotten bored and decided it was time to round up something. Some dogs are trained to herd a specific way based on whistles or calls. However, the actual instinct to just round up random farm animals is mostly just in the nature of some breads. Probably some sort of hunting evolution, but crazy none the less. Collies have it bad.
- acje 5y agoNy uncle once had a large male Border-collie that went missing while he was working in his forest. The dog came back later in the afternoon herding a moose.
- adrianomartins 5y agoGood boys will be good boys