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When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Sure, if you have 2 sales a month, I guess Appl

When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Sure, if you have 2 sales a month, I guess Apple is providing you $0.60 of revenue. That's not what this thread is about.

threatofrain 5y ago
You’re saying this thread is about the big players and not the small ones? And that’s why this open question to HN developers isn’t really asking for their experiences, not unless they’re in the hundred million territory?
- Supermancho 5y ago
  > You’re saying this thread is about the big players and not the small ones? It's not about relative revenue, but illustrating the extent of the exploitation.
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filoleg 5y ago
You can have more than 2 sales. If you are making under $1mil in app revenue in a year, Apple takes a 15% cut instead of 30%.
- moogly 5y ago
  You can thank Epic for that recent change.
  - martimarkov 5y ago
    Or someone else. There is not hard evidence that it was Epic. Apple might have had that in the works even without epic.
chrisseaton 5y ago
> When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Lol they just told you they think it's reasonable! Why bother asking for someone’s opinion if we're just going to berate them for it? I think the Apple cut is justified because Apple provide the best platform. If someone can provide a better platform for a smaller cut people would move to it.
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  No, they wouldn't. That's the point. Apple and Google control the market for mobile phone apps. You could invent the best possible app store and take nothing as a cut and get no users because Apple wouldn't permit your app store and so you'd lose. Apple uses their hardware market dominance to control the software market and extracts rent from people who want to sell software on their hardware. That's what people are complaining about. "Why don't they just invent their own hardware, phone OS, and app store?" Hmm, yes, why not?
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    It's notable that Google does allow their customers to side-load apps.
    - wernercd 5y ago
      and Google doesn't ban use of other payment processors or have restrictions on "you can sell elsewhere for less"
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        > and Google doesn't ban use of other payment processors They certainly do on the Play Store. Developers have until September of this year to comply with Google's rule to take 30% of sales and use its payment system[1] in their apps. It's clearly more price fixing on the part of the Apple and Google mobile app distribution and payments cartel. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/28/google-to-enforce-30percent-cut-on-in-app-purchases-next-year.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/28/google-to-enforce-30percent-...
malka 5y ago
why would i give a fuck about the big players ? their paying 30M allows other to have high quality of service for close to nothing. They can always go away from iOS it they think it is not a fair deal. No one is pointing a gun to their head.

threatofrain 5y ago

You’re saying this thread is about the big players and not the small ones? And that’s why this open question to HN developers isn’t really asking for their experiences, not unless they’re in the hundred million territory?

Supermancho 5y ago
> You’re saying this thread is about the big players and not the small ones? It's not about relative revenue, but illustrating the extent of the exploitation.
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filoleg 5y ago

You can have more than 2 sales. If you are making under $1mil in app revenue in a year, Apple takes a 15% cut instead of 30%.

moogly 5y ago
You can thank Epic for that recent change.
- martimarkov 5y ago
  Or someone else. There is not hard evidence that it was Epic. Apple might have had that in the works even without epic.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Lol they just told you they think it's reasonable! Why bother asking for someone’s opinion if we're just going to berate them for it? I think the Apple cut is justified because Apple provide the best platform. If someone can provide a better platform for a smaller cut people would move to it.

ALittleLight 5y ago
No, they wouldn't. That's the point. Apple and Google control the market for mobile phone apps. You could invent the best possible app store and take nothing as a cut and get no users because Apple wouldn't permit your app store and so you'd lose. Apple uses their hardware market dominance to control the software market and extracts rent from people who want to sell software on their hardware. That's what people are complaining about. "Why don't they just invent their own hardware, phone OS, and app store?" Hmm, yes, why not?
- threatofrain 5y ago
  It's notable that Google does allow their customers to side-load apps.
  - wernercd 5y ago
    and Google doesn't ban use of other payment processors or have restrictions on "you can sell elsewhere for less"
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      > and Google doesn't ban use of other payment processors They certainly do on the Play Store. Developers have until September of this year to comply with Google's rule to take 30% of sales and use its payment system[1] in their apps. It's clearly more price fixing on the part of the Apple and Google mobile app distribution and payments cartel. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/28/google-to-enforce-30percent-cut-on-in-app-purchases-next-year.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/28/google-to-enforce-30percent-...

malka 5y ago

why would i give a fuck about the big players ? their paying 30M allows other to have high quality of service for close to nothing. They can always go away from iOS it they think it is not a fair deal. No one is pointing a gun to their head.