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This new trend sounds great for companies as a way to purge extremists from their workforce. From my anecdotal experience the people trying to bring politics at

This new trend sounds great for companies as a way to purge extremists from their workforce. From my anecdotal experience the people trying to bring politics at work were not very effective. It would be interesting to compare productivity before and after the exits.

tluyben2 5y ago
Yeah, let's have a completely uniform bunch of people without contrary opinions and all completely PC, sounds like paradise. /s
- sputr 5y ago
  You are attacking a strawman. The commenter said extremists, not diversive opinions. It's one thing to have diversive opinions and comely discussing them... And another to be emotionally overinvested and dumping you issues onto your coworkers.
  - tluyben2 5y ago
    Agreed, but the definition of extremist seems to be moving; seems you cannot voice opinions anymore and it seems especially a US thing. Bill gates and Steve Jobs would be marked as extremists in the way they led the business now. Not political but angry and aggressive to the max. I think we need 'extremists' to not have a flat society where nothing happens.
    - rainonmoon 5y ago
      You're voicing an opinion right now. Unfortunately there's a common misconception that everyone is entitled to voice their opinion without criticism. If you go around all day saying stuff that people think is hurtful or obnoxious, the freedom that allows you to do so is the same freedom those people have to tell you to get lost.
    - dale_glass 5y ago
      I think you weren't paying attention? Both were always known as extremists. Steve Jobs was a raging asshole, until it caught up with him. Turns out you can't bully cancer into submission. Gates was involved in some seriously shady stuff and under his rule, Microsoft ruined a whole lot of companies, some of which thought they had a profitable agreement. And not by some sort of honest competition, but some very underhanded tactics. Gates seems to have a much better reputation as of late, but he used to have a Borg style icon on slashdot for a reason. Lots of people didn't like him at all back when he was running the show.
      - hungryforcodes 5y ago
        >Steve Jobs was a raging asshole, until it caught up with him. Turns out you can't bully cancer into submission You really think that though both Bill and Steve were assholes at the beginning of their careers, but the fact that Bill gentrified himself is why he hasn't died of cancer and Steve did?
        dale_glass 5y ago
        From what I've read, Steve Jobs was just too full of himself. He had a curable form of pancreatic cancer, and access to any health care conceivable. Instead of that he went with a fruit diet, acupuncture and a psychic. Apparently his diet was so nuts that when Ashton Kutcher tried replicating it, he ended up in the hospital. Gates while an asshole in the business sense, from accounts that I've heard is a genuinely extremely intelligent person and has great technical understanding. While medicine is not his field from what I heard he seems to take well considered positions in that regard, and I think it's doubtful he'd sabotage his own chances of recovery in such a way.
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        Jobs was extremely intelligent as well (I'm not sure how you could be disingenuously extremely intelligent, btw :P ), but his decision to cure his cancer with this route was always mysterious.
lrem 5y ago
I work in Google with many people strongly holding strong beliefs. Not sure where the line for "extremist" actually is, but I can easily imagine these people getting called by that. I can't say I've noticed a significant correlation between that and productivity. But: coffee breaks with a group involving people of two opposite views are always a sight to behold.
late2part 5y ago
As a person who thinks for themselves, I find all these woke people very bigoted, close-minded and discriminatory. My opinions are attacked and unwelcome.
- cloudfifty 5y ago
  People are falling over themselves in this thread to blame "Woke" people, but there are barely any concrete examples here at all. It should be easy to provide if this is so blatantly fundamentalist?
- bjourne 5y ago
  That's how debate works! Opinions are SUPPOSED to be attacked! Your opinions are being attacked because people think they are trash. If you can't stand it then don't share your opinions.
- goldenchrome 5y ago
  I’m inclined to agree with you, despite your downvotes. Woke ideology is steeped in fundamentalism and it seems to have filled the void where religion used to be. Some people can’t help but be religious; it’s an emergent quality of humans in large societies.
  - Animats 5y ago
    Woke ideology is steeped in fundamentalism and it seems to have filled the void where religion used to be. Now that's a useful insight. Needs more thought before replying further.
    - loopz 5y ago
      Ideology is logic without actual thinking, similar to belief systems and religion. Faith is realizing existence.
      - Animats 5y ago
        Is there a difference?
hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
My first thought whenever I hear how much effort and time is spent on all this drama, especially in large companies, is "how do these people have any time to do actual work?" Part of me honestly considered getting a job at some Woke Megacorp because I figured I'd have at least a couple extra hours to myself everyday where other folks were involved in internal forum wars.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  If these people simply weren’t doing their jobs, then surely there would be no need for any pretense in firing them, right?
  - knorker 5y ago
    Haha, no. They have a clear story for other wokists then: fired for just existing. If they spend all day saying the company is Xist, then when they get fired they'll make it look Xist, just like they said. Pay me to be your official DEI officer, or else.
    - tshaddox 5y ago
      You’re saying that the “wokists” cannot be fired for being unproductive because that would yield too much bad PR about the company being “Xist,” but they can be fired because of a policy against being “wokist?” Never mind the absurd terminology there, even the basic reasoning is nonsensical.
      - knorker 5y ago
        I thought they left, to find a company to pay them for being wokists, not get fired?
    - getlawgdon 5y ago
      It sounds like you don't believe that things like racism actually exist. The rest of your argument is bizarre and illogical.

tluyben2 5y ago

Yeah, let's have a completely uniform bunch of people without contrary opinions and all completely PC, sounds like paradise. /s

sputr 5y ago
You are attacking a strawman. The commenter said extremists, not diversive opinions. It's one thing to have diversive opinions and comely discussing them... And another to be emotionally overinvested and dumping you issues onto your coworkers.
- tluyben2 5y ago
  Agreed, but the definition of extremist seems to be moving; seems you cannot voice opinions anymore and it seems especially a US thing. Bill gates and Steve Jobs would be marked as extremists in the way they led the business now. Not political but angry and aggressive to the max. I think we need 'extremists' to not have a flat society where nothing happens.
  - rainonmoon 5y ago
    You're voicing an opinion right now. Unfortunately there's a common misconception that everyone is entitled to voice their opinion without criticism. If you go around all day saying stuff that people think is hurtful or obnoxious, the freedom that allows you to do so is the same freedom those people have to tell you to get lost.
  - dale_glass 5y ago
    I think you weren't paying attention? Both were always known as extremists. Steve Jobs was a raging asshole, until it caught up with him. Turns out you can't bully cancer into submission. Gates was involved in some seriously shady stuff and under his rule, Microsoft ruined a whole lot of companies, some of which thought they had a profitable agreement. And not by some sort of honest competition, but some very underhanded tactics. Gates seems to have a much better reputation as of late, but he used to have a Borg style icon on slashdot for a reason. Lots of people didn't like him at all back when he was running the show.
    - hungryforcodes 5y ago
      >Steve Jobs was a raging asshole, until it caught up with him. Turns out you can't bully cancer into submission You really think that though both Bill and Steve were assholes at the beginning of their careers, but the fact that Bill gentrified himself is why he hasn't died of cancer and Steve did?
      - dale_glass 5y ago
        From what I've read, Steve Jobs was just too full of himself. He had a curable form of pancreatic cancer, and access to any health care conceivable. Instead of that he went with a fruit diet, acupuncture and a psychic. Apparently his diet was so nuts that when Ashton Kutcher tried replicating it, he ended up in the hospital. Gates while an asshole in the business sense, from accounts that I've heard is a genuinely extremely intelligent person and has great technical understanding. While medicine is not his field from what I heard he seems to take well considered positions in that regard, and I think it's doubtful he'd sabotage his own chances of recovery in such a way.
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        Jobs was extremely intelligent as well (I'm not sure how you could be disingenuously extremely intelligent, btw :P ), but his decision to cure his cancer with this route was always mysterious.

lrem 5y ago

I work in Google with many people strongly holding strong beliefs. Not sure where the line for "extremist" actually is, but I can easily imagine these people getting called by that. I can't say I've noticed a significant correlation between that and productivity. But: coffee breaks with a group involving people of two opposite views are always a sight to behold.

late2part 5y ago

As a person who thinks for themselves, I find all these woke people very bigoted, close-minded and discriminatory. My opinions are attacked and unwelcome.

cloudfifty 5y ago
People are falling over themselves in this thread to blame "Woke" people, but there are barely any concrete examples here at all. It should be easy to provide if this is so blatantly fundamentalist?
bjourne 5y ago
That's how debate works! Opinions are SUPPOSED to be attacked! Your opinions are being attacked because people think they are trash. If you can't stand it then don't share your opinions.
goldenchrome 5y ago
I’m inclined to agree with you, despite your downvotes. Woke ideology is steeped in fundamentalism and it seems to have filled the void where religion used to be. Some people can’t help but be religious; it’s an emergent quality of humans in large societies.
- Animats 5y ago
  Woke ideology is steeped in fundamentalism and it seems to have filled the void where religion used to be. Now that's a useful insight. Needs more thought before replying further.
  - loopz 5y ago
    Ideology is logic without actual thinking, similar to belief systems and religion. Faith is realizing existence.
    - Animats 5y ago
      Is there a difference?

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

My first thought whenever I hear how much effort and time is spent on all this drama, especially in large companies, is "how do these people have any time to do actual work?" Part of me honestly considered getting a job at some Woke Megacorp because I figured I'd have at least a couple extra hours to myself everyday where other folks were involved in internal forum wars.

tshaddox 5y ago
If these people simply weren’t doing their jobs, then surely there would be no need for any pretense in firing them, right?
- knorker 5y ago
  Haha, no. They have a clear story for other wokists then: fired for just existing. If they spend all day saying the company is Xist, then when they get fired they'll make it look Xist, just like they said. Pay me to be your official DEI officer, or else.
  - tshaddox 5y ago
    You’re saying that the “wokists” cannot be fired for being unproductive because that would yield too much bad PR about the company being “Xist,” but they can be fired because of a policy against being “wokist?” Never mind the absurd terminology there, even the basic reasoning is nonsensical.
    - knorker 5y ago
      I thought they left, to find a company to pay them for being wokists, not get fired?
  - getlawgdon 5y ago
    It sounds like you don't believe that things like racism actually exist. The rest of your argument is bizarre and illogical.