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Excuse me, but it hasn't even been an hour since the link was posted and there's already glaring US-centrism in the comments: "get what you deserve", "mass disi

Excuse me, but it hasn't even been an hour since the link was posted and there's already glaring US-centrism in the comments: "get what you deserve", "mass disinformation campaigns". Where have you guys been living? What news have you been watching? You realise that the same actions are done by the US and, to a lesser extent and limited by their capabilities, their allies. US developed an unprecedented malware capable of sabotaging airgapped nuclear facilities. And clearly US disinformation campaigns can't be faulted too since you people seem to think that Russia is really a threat at this point to the US.

ticviking 5y ago
It always amazes me when my fellow Americans are shocked that after decades of the CIA and NSA using a trick on other countries they decide to fight back using the same dirty tactics.
rejectedandsad 5y ago
Not all countries are equal and should be treated as equivalent.
christophilus 5y ago
There are only two comments, and I don’t think your interpretation is a charitable one. Anyway, given the numerous recent hacks, it does seem like we could easily be entering into an escalation. I really hope not, as that won’t end well for anyone.
- nradov 5y ago
  If this encourages everyone to take cyber security seriously then that would be a good end. Regardless of who is behind these specific attacks, non-stop attacks against everyone are the new reality. We're going to have to learn to live with that.
koheripbal 5y ago
There is an important distinction between attacking civilian-critical services like healthcare systems and pipelines, and attacking a single nuclear WEAPONS manufacturing plant in Iran.
- sschueller 5y ago
  Why does the US get to make the call who can have nuclear weapons and who can't when the US is the only one whom ever dropped one on civilians [1]? "Trust us we are the good guys" doesn't cut it for the US anymore when international deals get broken when a new administration comes in. [2] We should be going towards a global disarmament which everyone could agree on. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_a... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_...
  - JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
    Does Iran have a good track record for human rights protection? No it is a religious dictatorship that has vowed many times to wipe a nearby country of people different than them off the map.
    - sschueller 5y ago
      Again the US may be a democracy but has repeatedly threatened other nations. [1] The US also is not shy in admitting it has a kill list [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5UhQ-gqVkg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5UhQ-gqVkg [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix
    - xtian 5y ago
      Was the US overthrowing Iran’s democratically-elected prime minister in 1953 about human rights then? He was introducing progressive reforms in Iran.
tokai 5y ago
You can gloat over Russian assets getting hacked without being pro-US. Your analysis here is the result of your own dichotomic view of the world.
ProAm 5y ago
> since you people seem to think that Russia is really a threat at this point There are no threats in this world only economic opportunities.
tw04 5y ago
I'm assuming you've got some citations to daily US government sponsored crypto locker campaigns holding Russian and Chinese government and corporate entities hostage? Attempts at preventing another nuclear armed country in the world is good for everyone except that country, whether the reasons behind it were noble or not.
raverbashing 5y ago
> You realise that the same actions are done by the US and, to a lesser extent and limited by their capabilities, their allies. Yes and? Are we supposed to feel sorry for Russia? That this is somehow a sports game where who wins don't matter in the end? Still yesterday it was revealed that Russia wanted to hire influencers to sow disinformation about vaccines. That's pretty much the lowest you can get without actually shooting people. (Without forgetting the attack on the Irish and New-Zealand health services - which while I don't think are gov. sponsored they're at least complicit) So, sorry if I don't buy the "both-sides" blah blah blah. "But the west does that to further their interests" those who don't further their interests are lame ducks (I'm sure Russia would love more than those). Yes, there are ethical considerations and I could go on and on about those. Tit-for-tat is needed unless you believe that bullies let you go if you ignore them
fnord77 5y ago
is there any proof the US is behind this?

ticviking 5y ago

It always amazes me when my fellow Americans are shocked that after decades of the CIA and NSA using a trick on other countries they decide to fight back using the same dirty tactics.

rejectedandsad 5y ago

Not all countries are equal and should be treated as equivalent.

christophilus 5y ago

There are only two comments, and I don’t think your interpretation is a charitable one. Anyway, given the numerous recent hacks, it does seem like we could easily be entering into an escalation. I really hope not, as that won’t end well for anyone.

nradov 5y ago
If this encourages everyone to take cyber security seriously then that would be a good end. Regardless of who is behind these specific attacks, non-stop attacks against everyone are the new reality. We're going to have to learn to live with that.

koheripbal 5y ago

There is an important distinction between attacking civilian-critical services like healthcare systems and pipelines, and attacking a single nuclear WEAPONS manufacturing plant in Iran.

sschueller 5y ago
Why does the US get to make the call who can have nuclear weapons and who can't when the US is the only one whom ever dropped one on civilians [1]? "Trust us we are the good guys" doesn't cut it for the US anymore when international deals get broken when a new administration comes in. [2] We should be going towards a global disarmament which everyone could agree on. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_a... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_...
- JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
  Does Iran have a good track record for human rights protection? No it is a religious dictatorship that has vowed many times to wipe a nearby country of people different than them off the map.
  - sschueller 5y ago
    Again the US may be a democracy but has repeatedly threatened other nations. [1] The US also is not shy in admitting it has a kill list [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5UhQ-gqVkg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5UhQ-gqVkg [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix
  - xtian 5y ago
    Was the US overthrowing Iran’s democratically-elected prime minister in 1953 about human rights then? He was introducing progressive reforms in Iran.

tokai 5y ago

You can gloat over Russian assets getting hacked without being pro-US. Your analysis here is the result of your own dichotomic view of the world.

ProAm 5y ago

> since you people seem to think that Russia is really a threat at this point There are no threats in this world only economic opportunities.

tw04 5y ago

I'm assuming you've got some citations to daily US government sponsored crypto locker campaigns holding Russian and Chinese government and corporate entities hostage? Attempts at preventing another nuclear armed country in the world is good for everyone except that country, whether the reasons behind it were noble or not.

raverbashing 5y ago

> You realise that the same actions are done by the US and, to a lesser extent and limited by their capabilities, their allies. Yes and? Are we supposed to feel sorry for Russia? That this is somehow a sports game where who wins don't matter in the end? Still yesterday it was revealed that Russia wanted to hire influencers to sow disinformation about vaccines. That's pretty much the lowest you can get without actually shooting people. (Without forgetting the attack on the Irish and New-Zealand health services - which while I don't think are gov. sponsored they're at least complicit) So, sorry if I don't buy the "both-sides" blah blah blah. "But the west does that to further their interests" those who don't further their interests are lame ducks (I'm sure Russia would love more than those). Yes, there are ethical considerations and I could go on and on about those. Tit-for-tat is needed unless you believe that bullies let you go if you ignore them

fnord77 5y ago

is there any proof the US is behind this?