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One week of Libera Chat
- nairboon 5y agoLibera.Chat is growing quite fast [0], let's see how it ranks in another week [1]. Todays channel hijacking on freenode [2] will probably trigger a bigger move. [0]: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat [1]: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628
- threatofrain 5y agoPrior discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734
- 0mp 5y agoIt's incredible how fast the whole transition is happening. I'm really grateful to the Libera Chat team for creating a space for the communities to move to. Amazing job!
- bencollier49 5y agoThis controversy has got me back on IRC. It feels good to be sitting in chatrooms and occasionally able to pitch in and help people. And the interface is better than Slack. :-)
- bayindirh 5y ago> And the interface is better than Slack. Don't tell it everywhere. Some people might get offended. :D I agree with you though.
- rplnt 5y agoIs there a way to get similar feel that slack has for irc? You know, half a gigabyte of client data, at least 1GB of ram usage, multiple processes, high cpu load?
- xena 5y agoRun badly written weechat scripts, a lot of them.
- kadoban 5y agoI do realize you're being sarcastic, but to answer honestly anyway: best way is to use Matrix and bridge to IRC. This allows you to use almost all Matrix functionality without anyone you talk to on IRC being affected by that really at all. Matrix isn't anything like as resource heavy as Slack is I don't think (and to me more importantly it's an open, federated protocol), but to many IRCers it'll seem similar in both the good and the bad ways, depending on what they find comfortable.
- anaganisk 5y agoI dont know how you use matrix but its android and pc client are heavy as hell and buggy, and isnt the desktop apps just electron based? I dont even want to get started with the resource hog of the matrix server instance.
- kadoban 5y agoI just run it in browser. It runs "fine" for me. It doesn't bother me in terms of speed or resources. I wouldn't give it any kind of glowing recommendation on that front, I just think it's better than Slack. Slack crawls for me more than Matrix does, though to be fair I only use them each on totally separate machines, so it's not a fair test. Raw IRC beats both in resources and responsiveness, but the tradeoffs are well worth it for me to use Matrix personally (to name just one, I consider scrollback to be a required feature, and to get that with IRC requires too much effort/cost).
- foresto 5y agoYes, the desktop version is an Electron app. It's a bit of a pig, but an understandable choice for a small team delivering a truly open e2ee protocol and cross-platform software suite as quickly as they have. I'm willing to tolerate the Electron bloat for now. The good news is that lighter Matrix clients like Nheko exist, and are steadily improving. I expect to switch within a year. https://matrix.org/clients/ https://matrix.org/clients/
- natrys 5y agoIt had be write my first weechat script, it's fun :)
- NoahTheDuke 5y agoWhat client do you use?
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- bencollier49 5y agoTextual.
- phoe-krk 5y agoThe noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?
- wut42 5y agoAlpine (to oftc), voidlinux, grafana, prometheus, fosdem, curl, bastillebsd, couchdb, musl, ircpuzzles, jellyfin, gamingonlinux, xen, devuan, irssi, weechat, …. The list is too big to get it exhaustively
- eclipseo76 5y agoFedora is planning too, but it's colliding with our project of having our own Matrix server bridged with IRC.
- ognarb 5y agoSame with KDE, but the Matrix wnd Libera team are working on it.
- 3np 5y agoapart from what sibling mentioned: armbian, xmonad
- Semaphor 5y agoArchlinux: https://archlinux.org/news/move-of-official-irc-channels-to-liberachat/ https://archlinux.org/news/move-of-official-irc-channels-to-...
- geocar 5y agoecl moved.
- phoe-krk 5y agoSo did #clasp - forcibly.
- zokier 5y agoI want to say just that I appreciate the positive and largely non-confrontational tone of this post. Considering the circumstances it could have as easily become muddled with bitterness and/or cheap snipes.
- wut42 5y agoAnd look for contrast on https://freenode.net/news/for-foss https://freenode.net/news/for-foss - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27283964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27283964
- CornCobs 5y agoThe identical experience of libera chat makes me realize how useful open protocols are, and how much harder it would be to do something like this with some platform like discord
- PicassoCTs 5y agoIt would be enough for each node, to know the whole contact graph, and have that stored in a open format? Like a xml adressbook, that could be parsed by any software and could be created even with limited apis as provided by discord etc.
- ajacksified 5y agoGood usecase for Solid (https://solidproject.org/ https://solidproject.org/).
- hobofan 5y agoIt's also a good use case for a good old .vcard, which already has semantics for plenty of contact fields, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some for IRC.
- medstrom 5y agoModern phones have done their utmost to end these. If you even find the option to load a vcard they will (often sneakily) copy the contents to Google Contacts or similar, and you don't know if the phone is even keeping the vcard updated. It has made the approach feel unreliable.
- hobofan 5y agoI've switched to self-hosting my contacts with Radicale[0] (with "backups" to a git repo) synced via DavX5[1], with no problem of them mixing with Google Contacts. It's pretty annoying though that basically no current contacts app recognizes common fields like the nickname for a person. [0]: https://radicale.org/ https://radicale.org/ [1]: https://www.davx5.com/ https://www.davx5.com/
- nabakin 5y agoThe last post related to this whole situation [1] had 245 points in 3 hours, was then manually down-weighted off the front page, and died as a result. I think that was a bit too much of a correction. Hopefully the same doesn't happen to this post. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628
- supermatt 5y agoThis whole freenoda issue is a problem primarily because of the control of the domain name. Who controls libera.chat domain? It says it is a swedish nonprofit (although I cant see any specifics on their website), but the unredacted portions of the whois show it is owned by an Icelandic entity. Sounds like scope for more future drama...
- Jiocus 5y agoIs https://libera.chat/about https://libera.chat/about specific enough?
- supermatt 5y agoNot at all. Why is the domain owned by an icelandic entity instead of the nonprofit? Where is the company registration number of the nonprofit (required to open a bank account - where will donations be held, etc). Its all very vague and handwavy at the moment - just like early days of freenode... EDIT: Loads of downvotes, but why? Any of you want to leave a comment instead of just downvoting?
- wut42 5y agoI think you are getting downvoted because you're making points that I've already responded to you. Libera is a week old. It may have been started to get in shape before the launch and mass resign of a week ago, but give them time to create the org properly (which, again, is in progress, and was already a week ago).
- supermatt 5y agoHeh, and I wrote it before you even responded :D This comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289097 Your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27289100 Im happy to give them time - im just pointing out the current state of things, and what sets off my alarm bells. These are all things that can be addressed, no doubt.
- sdflhasjd 5y agoLibera has made itself our home very quickly, and I commend the Libera staff that have worked to approve our project group and set up cloaks. When the issue blew up last week, we quickly reserved our slot on Libera just in case. Some of our staff were pushing harder for Libera, and I was concerned it was a bit fervent and sensational, but ultimately went along with it. It's been sad to see over the last week how quickly they were proven right, and how it only took a few days for the new so-called freenode to deal a killing blow. Had we been still uncommitted to the Libera move, Andrew's actions this morning would have hurt our community more.
- arkitaip 5y agoIs there any policy in place that prevents another freenode incident from happening again? i.e. IPs being sold off in a hostile takeover?
- qubidt 5y agohttps://libera.chat/about https://libera.chat/about > Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit organisation, feel free to read our bylaws[1]. The organisation is run entirely by volunteer staff who are the members of, and have equal voting power in, the organisation. Libera Chat’s purpose is to provide services such as a community platform for free open-source software and peer directed projects on a volunteer basis. > Most decisions are taken by the membership as a whole. The board primarily deals with organisational tasks like managing our bookkeeping and keeping the member list in sync... > The board of the organisation comprises a chair, a treasurer and a representative from each of our specialised teams. Board seats are elected by the membership... > In addition to this the organisation has two auditors elected by the membership. Their role is to audit the board’s actions on behalf of the membership. Their yearly audit report, along with the annual report and bookkeeping of the organisation, will be published in a yearly transparency report [1]: https://libera.chat/bylaws https://libera.chat/bylaws
- mobilemidget 5y agoSo who is this .. person who keeps spamming the shit out of everybody on freenode IRC* claiming that libera chat is a new network for pedofiles?
- Tenoke 5y agoI'm guessing a random person invested in freenode over the years rather than staff or anyone involved.
- mst 5y agoNah, it's a set of idiot trolls we've been dealing with for years - they've also been trying to spam libera in "support" of freenode but libera have people who know how to deal with IRC spam so it's not gone nearly as well.
- noir_lord 5y ago> but libera have people who know how to deal with IRC spam so it's not gone nearly as well. That says it all really doesn't it :).
- Kliment 5y agoIt's a bunch of trolls from 4chan. They've been doing this for years on freenode trying to accuse the (now former) freenode staff of same.
- ta8645 5y agoHow is Libera meant to be pronounced? L-eye-beer-ah, or maybe "liberal" without the trailing ell? Freenode was such a great name, this one is hard to warm up to in the same way.
- hnarn 5y agoIt's an English word, you can listen to it here: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/libera https://www.dictionary.com/browse/libera
- hibbelig 5y agoOT: That entry says it's the name of a deity. Are names "words"? And are Italian names English words? This is meant to be an honest question, I just don't know. Intuitively, I was surprised.
- hnarn 5y agoMy personal opinion is that if you can find it in an English dictionary, it's an English word. It's pretty common, in English as it is in all languages, that the pronunciation differs from that of the original language from which the name originated.
- dsr_ 5y agoEverything is a word. Most words are informal, and may not effectively communicate both direct meaning and cultural implications. Formal words can generally be found in a dictionary, and when used in those contexts, are more likely to effectively communicate direct meaning.
- wearywanderer 5y agoWiktionary, which I usually find to be more comprehensive and accurate than the commercial dictionaries, lists 'libera' as a word in Esperanto, Galician, Ido, Italian, Latin, Portuguese, Romanian, and Spanish. But not English. Regardless, it doesn't seem like a challenging word to me, somebody who has only ever spoken English. I just pronounce it like it's written, "lib-eh-ra", it never occurred to me that this world might be challenging.
- scoopr 5y agoIt seems the matrix bridge is not up yet, so I guess I'm not joining quite yet :/ Though the one channel I really frequent these days is totally not caring about the whole issue, and seems there is no motivation to move. (It is not a project channel, just some hangout channel around a topic)
- zmatt 5y agoApparently the bridge is up since yesterday.
- dpcx 5y agoOne of the things that Freenode (and other networks) allowed that I haven't seen from Libera.chat (yet) is the ability for others to host servers as well. I wonder if that will show up in time, or if the plan is for only Libera.chat servers to be part of the network.
- zmatt 5y agoI'm sure if you're a reputable hosting provider able to sponsor a server then libera will be interested, even if there's no official procedure documented yet for offering hosting.
- siraben 5y agoThe ease at which one connects to Libera with an IRC client, it was like nothing had happened, at this point (especially after recent events) you'd get a very close experience of what Freenode was like, with the same people, topics and all. Grateful to see it flourish!
- cpach 5y agoIt does indeed sound like a very smooth migration when taking into account the staggering amount of projects and users involved.
- beckman466 5y agoCan someone who is more in the know help me: is the move away from the Freenode name (or rebranding) a way to leave the project as it is (keeping existing functionality and thereby ensuring backwards compatibility)? Or is it because of a disagreement between maintainers, or something else?
- dsr_ 5y agoFreenode's management changed. Libera.Chat is a new organization with new servers not associated with Freenode -- but many organizations that had previously maintained IRC channels on Freenode are moving to Libera.Chat.
- zmatt 5y agoLibera is effectively the spiritual continuation of freenode, managed by the former freenode operators. Freenode on the other hand is now under control of new management, which has in very short time already managed to prove itself inept and abusive.
- jcpham2 5y agoAll the cryptocurrency channels bitcoin monero etc the ones I care about migrated to libera.chat ASAP
- mike-cardwell 5y agoIf you want them to move to Libera, just join the channels and write the word "libera" in there.
- lupire 5y agoWhat happens if someone tried to grab operator/whatever control of #foo on Libera before the Freenode #foo op get it?
- account42 5y agoIf the Freenode #foo owners have a legitimate claim (ie they represent a project or community named foo) then they can register that project/community [0] and claim #foo. In case of multiple claims it is up to the Libera operators to find a solution. While there are no technical restrictions to registering unclaimed channels, on Libera (and also on Freenode before) channels with a single # are not really free for all and on-topic projects and communities have priority. [0] https://libera.chat/chanreg https://libera.chat/chanreg