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An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video
- cft 5y agoAny comment critical of Google here will get downvoted.
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- GoOnThenDoTell 5y agoImmature AI making bad decisions: check Google being hard to get on the phone: check Where is the bingo sheet
- beaner 5y agoGoogle did respond and consciously decided to maintain the "locked as private" status of the video, with an explanation of an irrelevant "violent criminal organizations" policy violation. Automation isn't to blame here.
- cantsayit 5y agoGoogle only allows you to post videos of the right races acting violently. That's why I watched the videos of Kyle in Kenosha on YouTube, but you can't watch this mob of black people attack an Asian man. Whatever, thanks to #StopAsianHate now we're all well aware that most attacks on Asians are from blacks Ok ban me for my wrongthink @dang
- ronsor 5y agoI've never seen anyone get banned for any sort of political debate on this site. This is not reddit; you won't get banned for "incorrect opinions."
- cft 5y agoThis will be banned in the next 15 minutes.
- threatofrain 5y agoGoogle was reached. They made a human conclusion that the video was a violation for displaying gore or enticing violence. Also, here is the video in question. https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/1393449340497244161 https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/139344934049724416...
- ku-man 5y agoYou can still watch the video on Twitter. Seems the policy is if the aggressors are of the incorrect race it won't be shown on YouTube. Bet if the aggressors were white you will be able to watch and comment at length. P.S. I am brown
- 0xy 5y agoThis is common to the point BART in SF started to censor surveillance videos of vicious attacks because it would "create a racial bias against minorities". [1] If attacks don't fit the prevailing political narrative, they're buried immediately and sometimes covered up completely. [1] https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/09/bart-withholding-surveillance-videos-of-crime-to-avoid-stereotypes/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/09/bart-withholdin...
- sebmellen 5y agoSadly, doing this might only further perpetuate the racial biases people already hold; only now they're imbued with the feeling that the government is trying to suppress the truth because the situation is so bad. And in this case, they'd be right. Not a great situation...
- haram_masala 5y agoOne way to fight these biases is to remind ourselves that it’s a very small percentage of any demographic that commits violent crimes. It might be more useful, then, to say “99% of X people are never violent versus 99.2% of Y people.”
- sebmellen 5y agoThat's an interesting way of thinking of it. I suppose this reveals an inherent problem with using statistics to represent crime — their significance is easily distorted, even if the numbers themselves are accurate. But to throw a hypothetical at you: is it right for an Asian person in San Francisco to be more scared when they see someone of "X" race than when they see someone of "Y" race? Even if most of the people in the "X" group are nonviolent, if threats disproportionately come from the "X" group, it would not be unreasonable to be more wary of members of that group.
- mlazos 5y agoThat’s the thing though, the percentage of a random person of any demographic attacking you is like <<< 0.1% (or something), maybe comparable to your chance of dying in a car crash. Yet people cling to stereotypes and don’t wear seatbelts. If people are afraid of a person of certain race approaching them they should be afraid of many other improbable scenarios.
- rafale 5y agoThe title doesn't specify the perpetrator is white and doesn't mention white supremacy. It can only mean one thing, the elephant in the room, black-on-asian violence. If someone saw the video, can you please confirm my hunch?
- cantsayit 5y agoThe video is at the bottom of the article and yes, it's a group of black people attacking the Asian driver. This could have nothing at all to do with the recent treatment of police officers who respond to violent black criminals over the last year. Nope. No chance. Ok flag my post now
- haram_masala 5y agoThere was a screenshot of the video, and sadly your hunch is correct.
- bpodgursky 5y agoYou can click through to watch it on Twitter (and yes, that is what happened).
- throw179804 5y agoTwitter link (with video, not taken down) https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/1393449340497244161 https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/139344934049724416...
- temp8964 5y agoIf the title mentions the race, the post would have been flagged much faster.
- ergocoder 5y agoAt this point, Asians should stop supporting BLM. No BLM influencers (e.g. Trevor Noah) criticize blacks on Asians violence. One time they criticized is when it was white killing Asian (you can look it up). If BLM happens, Asian people, please, just be against it. Nobody would help you when you are attacked by black. Blacks do not stand with asians
- tolbish 5y agoI haven't seen this domain before. Does inquiremore have a good reputation around here?
- jeffbee 5y agoIt's just yet another substack. Zaid Jilani has been reporting for a long time. He's been associated with totally disreputable outlets like truthout and mostly disreputable outlets like thinkprogress. For the last year or two he's been playing the role of useful contrarian minority for a variety of right wing thinkers.
- bpodgursky 5y agoYou know that journalists (or even people!) can have more sophisticated stances than alignment with left or right, right? It's really unhealthy to write off "contrarianism" as some kind of tactical play instead of like... complex opinions.
- hollsted-ifbit 5y agoHow come they're fine with the ad included pedo videos on youtube??
- logicslave 5y agoPeople are underestimating how much content disappears. But I think the long run is far more Thruthful, video of everything widely available, difficult for platforms to eradicate, and shattering to the large scale brainwashing
- joejerryronnie 5y agoThis whole thread is getting shut down in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
- haram_masala 5y agoThe crowd is also attacking the white female passengers, but black-on-white crime is generally ignored by the media, including in this story.
- arionhardison 5y agoActually usually its over-reported as most crime is not interracial. Most crime is Black on Black or White on White etc... this is far more common than Black on White but the myth of the Black Sexual Predator has literally driven US politics for the greater part of the last 100 years.
- alephnan 5y agoJust an hour ago, my comment on HN linking to an Asian NFL coach being rejected for “not being the right minority” was flagged https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/22/eugene-chung-says-nfl-team-told-him-hes-not-the-right-minority-in-job-interview/ https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/22/eugene-chun...
- alephnan 5y agoVery curious who is downvoting this comment, as I’ve frequently experienced with this sort of topic, rather than providing a substantive response
- logicslave 5y agoLarge scale truth suppression
- alephnan 5y agoThey’re proving your point as we speak.
- knowaveragejoe 5y agoWhy isn't the media talking about this thing I saw in the media?
- thereare5lights 5y agoDiscrimination and racism against Asian Americans is something that gets flagged a lot on HN in my experience. But then again, discrimination and racism posts in general are something that gets flagged a lot on HN so it's not surprising.
- b9a2cab5 5y agoBecause anything that challenges the narrative and posits that diversity and inclusion initiatives are actually harming minorities (Asians) is somehow racist. For example, if I were to make a comment saying affirmative action is racism, my comment would get insta-flagged.
- sourabhforu 5y agoAs sad as this incident is, equally sad are the comments on this post here- People who are using this incident and youtube's actions to fit their own agenda, rant against youtube (instead of addressing the real elephant- uber exploiting its drivers) and justifying their own sense of racial wrong and injustices. Nothing in the article indicates that this incident was racially motivated in any way. Grow up. Read the article first
- avs733 5y agoCheck out the Op’s submission history. It is ALL articles like this.
- knowaveragejoe 5y agoCheck out the site itself - it's all this kind of garbage.
- BigHackerBalls 5y agothis site?
- testific8 5y agoNothing in the article indicates that it was racially motivated... except the title.
- arionhardison 5y agoYou are correct, but the op is leading us in that direction. Just look at the top comment. All online communities have some group think, it's unavoidable. The HN group think is best represented by the top comment.
- sadmann1 5y agoPlease delete this post it does not conform to the agenda set by the ministry of truth.
- malandrew 5y agoThe whole stop asian hate hashtag is pure opportunism when it comes from a Democratic congress person. If Democrats really supported Asians they wouldn't have almost universally voted no against this recent amendment to prohibit federal funding to institutions of higher education that discriminate against Asians: Here's the roll call for Amendment No. 1456: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00162 https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_...
- rendall 5y ago"This post is for paying subscribers"
- mitko 5y agoAny idea how to go around the paywall?
- EnderWT 5y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20210526035423/https://www.inquiremore.com/p/an-asian-uber-driver-was-attacked https://web.archive.org/web/20210526035423/https://www.inqui...
- jliving207 5y agoI came here to find out to get around the paywall as well and started reading about minority Olympics.
- MikeUt 5y agoI was able to view it when I posted it. Now I get the same message that it's blocked.
- rendall 5y agoI suspect they saw lots of traffic and hoped to cash in
- monkeycantype 5y agoFor those of us outside of the US, can someone explain the background of what's happening? Is there a group using covid or conflict with the CCP to incite violence against Asians? Or is this just the relentless churn of everyday pointless hideous violence that has been previously un-noted in a media when the victims were asian?
- andyxor 5y agoblack-on-asian violence has exploded in 2020-21 and the US liberals are trying to hide it as it doesn't fit the "black victim" narrative, aka BLM and all that. That narrative has been applied successfully for political gain , i.e. it's easier to get public support for fake "social justice" causes vs. actually fixing the underlying (predominantly economic) problems which originate in bad policy and bloated government.
- zachm0 5y agoCan you link to something that shows that black-on-asian violence has exploded in 2020-21? I wasn't able to find anything.
- alephnan 5y agoI will get downvoted and flagged for sharing this context, but here it is anyways Silicon Valley is predominated by and attracts people who are left leaning. This ideology carries with it a narrative that there is an oppressed group and a oppressing group. In America, the form this narrative takes is that non-whites are oppressed by white supremacy. There is a notion that Asians are a “model minority” who fare better socioeconomically than even the white majority which is inconvenient to this narrative. People on the right believes this shows white supremacy does not exist. People on the left thinks the notion of a model minority is a divide and conquer tactic to advance white supremacy. The left ironically still believes the Asian Model Minority is real, because it’s initiatives for equity usually does not extend to Asian people. To be more concrete, tech companies will have initiatives to hire more ethnic minorities, however Asians are usually precluded. Reporting White on Asian violence fits in with the White Supremacy narrative. Reporting Asians are victims to other ethnic groups would not advance the agenda that the oppressed group is worth helping.
- rkk3 5y ago“What I find most ridiculous is that the ‘take’ for Uber is often over 50% of the fare, especially with the $3.10 "safe ride fee" but their deductible for incidents like this is $2500,” he told me over e-mail. “My own insurance disclaimed the event because of Uber. So I get the entire bill.” Sounds like they are charging tens of thousands of dollars a year in booking fees for each FT driver, how is the coverage that bad? https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/what-is-a-booking-fee?nodeId=3cb756e0-b25f-4196-b3c0-5ea4bf727f26 https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/what-is...
- halsom 5y agoIf they don’t like it they can just get another job.
- arvindamirtaa 5y agoYou know how you didn't agree with the above comment and instead of just finding another comment you agreed with, you commented here to show your displeasure? You see where I'm going with this?
- whoevercares 5y agoModel minority == no guns. This has to change, every Asian should purchase a gun
- simondotau 5y agoPersonally I find it frustrating whenever anyone gets summarised as their cultural appearance, biological sex, chosen gender, political affiliation, or anything else like that. When we get headlines like "Asian attacked by black person" it becomes far too easy to lazily read that as "Asian people are victims. Black people are violent." The root cause of this incident might have nothing to do with either person's cultural background, but headlines this this one make it very difficult to think about issues any other way. It's unquestionable that certain demographic groups are seeing a disproportionate level of violence. It's unquestionable that some of this is caused by naked, explicit racism. But not all of it. Poverty and social class plays a significant role too; unfortunately this has correlations with other demographic markers.
- koheripbal 5y agoThe media and politicians find value in advancing a narrative that racial conflict is escalating in America. Fearful citizens are more easily to motivate to vote reliably, and without questioning more complex policy positions. Moreover, racially motivated voters seldom demand anything of substance from their leaders aside from the appearance of "standing up". TV and online media similarly love racial conflict because it drives high user engagement and ad revenues, while similarly lowering the bar for producing any meaningful content. The self-destructive path we are on should be greater cause for alarm. There is no evidence that the escalation racial violence will abate any time soon.
- nobodyandproud 5y agoBack in 2016, wasn’t “Meet the Flockers” identified as encouraging black on asian violence? Isn’t Youtube still hosting it?
- alephnan 5y agoNot officially, but the song has finally been pulled from various platforms as recent as 2 months ago. The YG concert in Oakland a few years back actually had lots of Asian people there. As an Asian, I don’t want to excuse the song. It was just made in bad taste, before everyone became so sensitive. What irks me is not the song itself or YG, I like his music, but the double standard and hypocrisy of people applying cancel culture only when it’s convenient to. For example, if an asian person made a song in the reverse. I’d rather get rid of cancel culture altogether
- freebuju 5y agoHere's another perspective. Am not American, not Asian. But I like YG's music. Obviously, the cancel politics behind that song has little personal meaning to me on this side of the world, but it does mean that history in popular culture can be re-written when it's convenient to some group of people.
- nobodyandproud 5y agoSocial ostracizing is a tool, so I doubt cancel will go away. You’ve noted that cancel culture is rather one-side: I feel Asians tend to be fairly moderate, in which case there is plenty to dislike whether looking into Democrat and Republican. So here’s the thing: Asians including East Asians need to become far more involved in politics, rather than simply taking cues from MAGA, BLM, or other self-serving interests. If Asians are a small minority, consider also that both sides are eager to court Asians for the moral high-ground. tl;dr; Asian Americans may be the moderating voice that the US needs.
- EnderWT 5y agoVideo from the article: https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/1393449340497244161 https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/139344934049724416...
- freebuju 5y ago> (Full disclosure, I pitched into Kang’s GoFundMe before deciding to write this story.) Don't know why this poster thinks it is okay to casually add this piece of information to the story. That said. Youtube doesn't owe Kang or anyone any explanations for taking down videos on their platform. You aren't paying them to host and backup your files. They are a business first, any content that could potentially drive away advertisers has no home there.
- arionhardison 5y ago>assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”). >It's hard for me not to believe you just made this up. "ling-ling boppin" doesn't return any Google results. 1 video, with 1100 views is in no way indicative of a "hip hop trope". I used to love HN, now I can see that there are a large number of intellectual cowards here. On a site full of engineers that understand statistics, a video with 1100 views being seen as a trope within the context of hip hop is patently absurd. I literally cannot find a single wu-tang video with less than millions of views, but one no-name rapper with 1100 views is a "trope". Yet that comment will receive 0 downvotes because it's a victim narrative that HN wants to believe. That is dangerous and intellectually disingenuous. I was ashamed of the "Michael Brown - Hands Up Don't Shoot" narrative because it was simply untrue, but it was a narrative adopted by the AA community because it supposed a popular and often valid position. I always expected better on HN, it truly saddens me to see this here.
- bryanwb 5y agoWhy is this flagged? HN seems to shut down anything that doesn't match the left-wing consensus, from Covid to BLM.
- threatofrain 5y agoHere is the video in question, still up on Twitter. https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/1393449340497244161 https://twitter.com/vincentkangnow/status/139344934049724416...
- zxcero 5y agoSo theres a couple points after reading through this: 1. The driver in the article even says that this case might not be racially motivated. There was a fist fight going on and it was related to the passengers. Passengers got in the car and the group attacked the passengers and the driver. 2. There has been a lot of Asian rascism and hate crimes in America. There was some statistic that showed ~50% was from African Americans and ~30% from Latinos. News have been underreporting this in light of the statistics. This is a huge issue that media is hiding from us. 3. This rise in asian hate crimes might stem from harsher job market and rise in Chinese propaganda. In fact, it also seems like Black/Latino community after being oppressed so long is lashing out at another minority community. I would suggest it might stem from 1. A lack of financial opportunities and 2. Systemic oppression against Blacks in America. It's like how Trump likes to do it. Deflect the blame and hatred at others instead of really looking at the main issue. Overall, both class and wealth inequality comes into play. I would suggest there's quite of things going on but what would improve it would be: 1. Start improving the education system in America. Education is usually correlated to higher wage, better working standards and job satisfaction. However not only improvements in STEM, but also in the Arts (History, World Literature, Philosophy, Finance? and others). When you lack a well-rounded education, you don't see beyond your current situation. You start discovering more about the world, more about other people's plight or your own and you understand the human condition. You see that the world is beyond just your current situation. "People who do not know history will end up repeating it" (Some person I dont know) 2. Change in Black culture. I'm not the most educated on this but there needs to be a change in African American arts/music. There needs to be a change from just victimization, gangbanging and "money" culture. Yes it is true there's is system oppression. Yes it is also true that Blacks should be able to express their frustrations and anger at society through music. But it should be towards a goal to reform society or to be conducive towards society. Right now, there's a mindset of creating division or rage against society or the police. We should build communities not destroy them. Anyways, I don't know what I'm saying lol. Just rambling and trying to get my thoughts out. Steps are 1. Improve Education 2. Improve Wealth Generation 3. Build stronger communities (maybe?)