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I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public o

I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport. 1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) 2. My ID is scanned by an authority at the security checkpoint (TSA). My boarding pass is now "linked" to a presumably verified ID. I'm in the "secure" section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) 3. My boarding pass (now linked to my ID) is scanned at the jetway as I board the plane. I'm on the plane. (Where does this data go?)

hourislate 5y ago
>1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) Airline Reservation System >2. My ID is scanned by an authority at the security checkpoint (TSA). My boarding pass is now "linked" to a presumably verified ID. I'm in the "secure" section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) Department of Homeland Security/Fed Gov Agencies >3. My boarding pass (now linked to my ID) is scanned at the jetway as I board the plane. I'm on the plane. (Where does this data go?) Goes to the Airline Reservation System and is shared with FAA/DHS/NO FLY LIST and if travel is International, it will be sent (before the plane leaves the gate) to the Destination Country to be checked by their Customs/Immigration/NO FLY LIST/Police. You will not be permitted to board if you show up on the NO FLY LIST.
- baybal2 5y ago
  You forgot booking databases. 90+% of flights go through either Amadeus, or Sabre, which were of course long coopted by governments around the world to provide every piece of data possible. This way Russia knows where to send their hitmen to kill political opposition, Israel spies on Palestinians travel around the world, and US knows when to send extradition requests for Russian carders when they travel abroad.
  - gabereiser 5y ago
    This. I worked at NCR building the kiosks at the airport. We integrated with Amadeus and Sabre as well as duplicating the data directly to the BOSS systems (old terminal mainframes). Your passenger information and your itinerary are shared with TSA, Airlines, published to travel systems, and checked against NO-FLY lists the moment you press that “Get boarding pass” button. Whether it be by an agent, at the kiosk, or on mobile.
    - anfilt 5y ago
      Is there anyway to buy/book directly instead going through this Amadeus, and this Sabre software you mention?
      - lstamour 5y ago
        Nope. It’s the mainframe software airlines use for “computerized check-in” and the ability to list flights from different airlines for different legs of the same journey, just like banks use mainframes designed for checking accounts or companies use ERP systems or governments make budgets. Outside of actually flying and maintaining planes, these systems are deeply integrated to how airlines coordinate between each other, how airports show flight information and so on. We’ll replace them when the last person uses a physical VISA card (probably never…) Another way of putting it: whatever replaces these systems will likely be forced to do the same thing, so why bother?
        gabereiser 5y ago
        To further this, any systems designed to "replace" these systems must also first talk to these systems and provide identical functionality. This was the case with the old BOSS systems we had to integrate with using term screen scraping and pushing text-based booking codes. The same codes used by agents at the ticking counter when you see them type 500 characters just to look you up in their systems. Only now, they aren't interacting with the BOSS system anymore, it's Amadeus or Sabre they are interacting with.
      - 5y ago
pandem 5y ago
Maybe that's how it works in America, but it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. And given that the post was motivated by recent events in Europe it doesn't seem too relevant. In Europe when you go through security no one checks your id. In fact most of the time when you fly inside Schengen with hand luggage only no one checks your id at all. But there definitely isn't something comparable to TSA that would have the information.
- djxfade 5y ago
  The last few years I have been flying, my ID has been checked before entering the security check. This was a recent change introduced a few years ago. I presume this is done everywhere in Europe.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    Haven’t flown since covid, but from 2019 flights, Not in U.K. (ID only checked at gate - intl flights only) and Not in 3 schengen airports (ID only checked after security when leaving schengen area) Don’t recall other airports enough but I didn’t do domestic flights. Nairobi I feel had more ID checks but could be wrong.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    same experience here and I'm also all over Europe. The time when you could just fly without hassle only lasted a few years. Now I have to look into the empty eyes of some dweeb wanting to check my passport like I'm entering Beirut in 1982. I feel obliged to thank them out of artificial politeness but really want to just ask them why they had to get a job that allows them to display power. Not that these checks ever prevented a "terrorist" attack. Airports only catch small drug mules that could have taken a bus anyway. Freedom of movement was one of the major selling points for joining the EU to the unwashed middle classes. That has all gone to the dogs (at least for business travel). The only advantage of free movement that still exists is being able to live and work in other countries. It's typical when they do something in the name of "sEcURitY" they will never roll it back. Classic "salami tactic" and a slow encroachment by the system[1]. Opinions on this obviously vary depending if a person uses a uniform for work in order to compartmentalize their conscience, has to defend family working for the security apparatus, or peddles crappy/racist "AI based" biometric software to the system. Perhaps wanting to become a "person of authority" is like a gender thing which people have no choice over. So I shouldn't make fun or look down at them: ACAB ("Assigned Cop At Birth"). Also the worst of all countries has doubtlessly been the UK. Even you arrived coming from Europe, they shepherded you through the slow-lane like a smelly goat with noises that sound like Dick Van Dyke doing a Bricktop impression. [1] https://archive.org/details/JacquesEllulTheTechnologicalSociety https://archive.org/details/JacquesEllulTheTechnologicalSoci...

hourislate 5y ago

>1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) Airline Reservation System >2. My ID is scanned by an authority at the security checkpoint (TSA). My boarding pass is now "linked" to a presumably verified ID. I'm in the "secure" section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) Department of Homeland Security/Fed Gov Agencies >3. My boarding pass (now linked to my ID) is scanned at the jetway as I board the plane. I'm on the plane. (Where does this data go?) Goes to the Airline Reservation System and is shared with FAA/DHS/NO FLY LIST and if travel is International, it will be sent (before the plane leaves the gate) to the Destination Country to be checked by their Customs/Immigration/NO FLY LIST/Police. You will not be permitted to board if you show up on the NO FLY LIST.

baybal2 5y ago
You forgot booking databases. 90+% of flights go through either Amadeus, or Sabre, which were of course long coopted by governments around the world to provide every piece of data possible. This way Russia knows where to send their hitmen to kill political opposition, Israel spies on Palestinians travel around the world, and US knows when to send extradition requests for Russian carders when they travel abroad.
- gabereiser 5y ago
  This. I worked at NCR building the kiosks at the airport. We integrated with Amadeus and Sabre as well as duplicating the data directly to the BOSS systems (old terminal mainframes). Your passenger information and your itinerary are shared with TSA, Airlines, published to travel systems, and checked against NO-FLY lists the moment you press that “Get boarding pass” button. Whether it be by an agent, at the kiosk, or on mobile.
  - anfilt 5y ago
    Is there anyway to buy/book directly instead going through this Amadeus, and this Sabre software you mention?
    - lstamour 5y ago
      Nope. It’s the mainframe software airlines use for “computerized check-in” and the ability to list flights from different airlines for different legs of the same journey, just like banks use mainframes designed for checking accounts or companies use ERP systems or governments make budgets. Outside of actually flying and maintaining planes, these systems are deeply integrated to how airlines coordinate between each other, how airports show flight information and so on. We’ll replace them when the last person uses a physical VISA card (probably never…) Another way of putting it: whatever replaces these systems will likely be forced to do the same thing, so why bother?
      - gabereiser 5y ago
        To further this, any systems designed to "replace" these systems must also first talk to these systems and provide identical functionality. This was the case with the old BOSS systems we had to integrate with using term screen scraping and pushing text-based booking codes. The same codes used by agents at the ticking counter when you see them type 500 characters just to look you up in their systems. Only now, they aren't interacting with the BOSS system anymore, it's Amadeus or Sabre they are interacting with.
    - 5y ago

pandem 5y ago

Maybe that's how it works in America, but it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. And given that the post was motivated by recent events in Europe it doesn't seem too relevant. In Europe when you go through security no one checks your id. In fact most of the time when you fly inside Schengen with hand luggage only no one checks your id at all. But there definitely isn't something comparable to TSA that would have the information.

djxfade 5y ago
The last few years I have been flying, my ID has been checked before entering the security check. This was a recent change introduced a few years ago. I presume this is done everywhere in Europe.
- midasuni 5y ago
  Haven’t flown since covid, but from 2019 flights, Not in U.K. (ID only checked at gate - intl flights only) and Not in 3 schengen airports (ID only checked after security when leaving schengen area) Don’t recall other airports enough but I didn’t do domestic flights. Nairobi I feel had more ID checks but could be wrong.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  same experience here and I'm also all over Europe. The time when you could just fly without hassle only lasted a few years. Now I have to look into the empty eyes of some dweeb wanting to check my passport like I'm entering Beirut in 1982. I feel obliged to thank them out of artificial politeness but really want to just ask them why they had to get a job that allows them to display power. Not that these checks ever prevented a "terrorist" attack. Airports only catch small drug mules that could have taken a bus anyway. Freedom of movement was one of the major selling points for joining the EU to the unwashed middle classes. That has all gone to the dogs (at least for business travel). The only advantage of free movement that still exists is being able to live and work in other countries. It's typical when they do something in the name of "sEcURitY" they will never roll it back. Classic "salami tactic" and a slow encroachment by the system[1]. Opinions on this obviously vary depending if a person uses a uniform for work in order to compartmentalize their conscience, has to defend family working for the security apparatus, or peddles crappy/racist "AI based" biometric software to the system. Perhaps wanting to become a "person of authority" is like a gender thing which people have no choice over. So I shouldn't make fun or look down at them: ACAB ("Assigned Cop At Birth"). Also the worst of all countries has doubtlessly been the UK. Even you arrived coming from Europe, they shepherded you through the slow-lane like a smelly goat with noises that sound like Dick Van Dyke doing a Bricktop impression. [1] https://archive.org/details/JacquesEllulTheTechnologicalSociety https://archive.org/details/JacquesEllulTheTechnologicalSoci...