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> Apple plans to launch the redesigned MacBook Pros in 14-inch and 16-inch screen sizes. They’ll have a redesigned chassis, magnetic MagSafe charger and more po
by EForEndeavour 5y ago
> Apple plans to launch the redesigned MacBook Pros in 14-inch and 16-inch screen sizes. They’ll have a redesigned chassis, magnetic MagSafe charger and more ports for connecting external drives and devices. Apple is also bringing back the HDMI port and SD card slot, which it nixed in previous versions, sparking criticism from photographers and the like.
Even if they continue to force the anti-feature that is the Touch Bar onto users, I'd immediately buy an M1 MBP with MagSafe and actual ports.
- D13Fd 5y agoI've had MacBooks since 2005, and I'm an amateur photographer. I really don't miss the ports or MagSafe at all. I actually like the USB charging better, as it allows you to connect the cord to either side, and it doesn't get accidentally knocked out if I use it on my lap. I've found that the cord being on other side is nearly as good as magsafe anyway, as it will be better positioned to pull out if it gets yanked. Yes, I did use the SD card reader from time to time, but most serious cameras use other cards (my older camera uses compact flash, and the newer one uses XQD). It makes no sense for Apple to integrate readers for those, and my XQD/CF readers also read SD cards, so the card reader is useless. All of my mobile peripherals at this point are USB-C, so I don't care about USB-A ports either. And when I'm at home, I use a dock, which has all of the ports I need. Honestly I'd much rather that they keep the laptops thin instead of adding ports I'm not going to use.
- etrautmann 5y agoThe vast majority of cameras, even professional mirrorless or DSLRs, currently use SD cards now. Perhaps that's changing, but I would imagine there's sufficient utility to the SD card reader that many users would value that feature.
- D13Fd 5y agoThat's not true for professional mirrorless/DSLRs, which on the high end often use other cards like CFast, XQD, or CF. And as mentioned, many readers for those cards also integrate SD readers. The vast majority of people these days just use their phones for cameras, and don't use point-and-shoots or other things with full-size SD cards. So really SD cards cater to just the mid-range camera market, where people use mirrorless/DSLRs but not high-end versions that often use faster cards. I don't think it's a good idea for Apple to make everyone's laptops bulkier so a small minority of people can avoid using a $17 adapter like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NW8RPYN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NW8RPYN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...
- ghaff 5y agoFor a company that prunes as ruthlessly as Apple seems to, including an SD slot in this day and age seems like an odd choice. I'm even a photographer and I rarely use the SD card slot on my MacBook Pro and certainly wouldn't consider tossing a small/cheap adapter into my travel electronics kit a big deal.
- matwood 5y agoAs someone else mentioned many of the higher end new cameras are moving XQD or something similar that is faster I presume to deal with video. With that said, I have cameras that use SD cards and don't see the need for an SD port. I have usbc adapters that are not much bigger than the SD card that I can use on my MBA or iPad. With LR, I can basically load my days pics on either device and have them available everywhere. I'm very skeptical they are adding back SD, so we'll see. I think MagSafe is going to be something like what came to the latest iPhone and not what people think of traditional MagSafe. Or maybe they'll add something to the usbc port that works like MagSafe if using an Apple cable.
- moshmosh 5y agoUSB-C would have been a great replacement... for DisplayPort/Thunderbolt ports. It's finally, years later, getting merely not infuriating to be stuck with only USB-C ports. Single port for display + charging is very nice, when it works. That iPhones and most iPads still don't use it is annoying. Having two kinds of charging cable around, years after Apple went all-in on USB-C for laptops, sucks. [EDIT] two kinds of charging cable and still needing to buy & carry two kinds of adapters/dongles for everything. Ugh.
- D13Fd 5y agoI agree about iPhone and non-pro iPads. They should 100% be on USB-C at this point.
- Kognito 5y agoSuspect at this point Apple doesn’t want to break compatibility with their Lightning ecosystem when wireless charging is probably going to be the future on iPhones. The most recent non-pro iPad does have USB-C and I expect whenever they get around to redesigning the lowest cost iPads they’ll also move to USB-C.
- olyjohn 5y agoApple uses lightning on their wireless keyboards and mice for chargring... I mean, what the fuck! They even came with lightning to USB-A cables, which won't plug into any USB-C Mac. Also it didn't come with a power brick presumably "to save the environment." I literally had no way to charge them. Totally asinine.
- Milner08 5y agoI am pretty sure they come with Lightning to USB-C now. At least the ones included with the new iMac do, and iPhones do so it would make sense for them all to.
- BugsJustFindMe 5y ago> and it doesn't get accidentally knocked out if I use it on my lap Man, my 2017 MacBook Pro's USB-C charging cable (the official one, not third party, and in pristine condition) constantly disconnects itself to the point where I'm basically traumatized from the annoyance of it now. It only provides power if it's ALL the way in, and the damned thing just pushes itself out half a millimeter and cuts power repeatedly. I really want to like the generic nature of USB-C charging, but proper magsafe with a strong magnet is just miles better (third party magnet adapters for USB-C both break the spec and also tend to have very weak magnets which can cause damage from sparking at the port).
- oezi 5y agoHow about cleaning the connector?
- BugsJustFindMe 5y agoThere's nothing to clean. Everything is pristine. The problem has even persisted across replacement cables and a full top case replacement (the keyboard, of course) where Apple scrubs the whole thing down before they give it back. Maybe I should superstitiously blow on it like it's an NES cartridge. It won't help, but maybe I'll feel like I have some agency.
- Moosdijk 5y agoMaybe bend the male usb out some.
- BugsJustFindMe 5y agoHaha yikes. I'm not saying that your idea wouldn't work, but I'm definitely not going to do it. :)
- domano 5y agoYes, but how about the _inside_ of the USB-C port? Sounds like the inside to me
- playpause 5y ago> I actually like the USB charging better, as it allows you to connect the cord to either side, and it doesn't get accidentally knocked out if I use it on my lap. I felt the same until my cat pulled my laptop off my desk by the cord. It landed on the corner with the USB plugged in, destroying the port on the laptop itself. Probably knocked a few hundred off the resale value. The little shit.
- x0x0 5y agoMagsafe saved my laptop from a dog who heard thunder just last week.
- D13Fd 5y agoMaybe the difference is that I'm not often using the laptop with the cord strung out around animals (not that there is anything wrong with doing that). For me, at home where I have a dog and several small children, the laptop is usually on the dock. The same is true at work. When on the go, I don't usually have the dog/small children.
- snowwrestler 5y agoApple’s goal is to have every portable computer work like an iPhone: you charge it overnight, then unplug it and use it unwired for a full day. This is why the charging port on the mouse is on the bottom, for instance. They never quite got their Intel laptops there, though. (Especially running MS Teams, Slack, and Chrome!) It’s kind of funny that, now that they can make a laptop that really does last all day on one charge (according to tests of M1), they’re switching back to MagSafe.
- medium_burrito 5y agoUnfortunately that doesn't work for those of us that need to run compute intensive tasks, like browsing the web, or compiling stuff, or running docker. There's this stupid dream that the computer needs to be light and fanless and thin and sexy. It doesn't need to do that. I'm happy if it doesn't melt while trying to run some software I need to do my job.
- katbyte 5y agoEach to their own but magsafe saves my laptop frequently, it’s nice to not have to worry about it being yanked off a table. I have a ton of usb a stuff that doesnt have a usb c counterpart, and likely never will. I tried to use a USB drive to move stuff between two computers and we ran into a “one is usb a only one is USB c only” problem
- vmception 5y agoXQD has never caught on and there hasn't been a camera released that uses them since 2018 Whats up with photo/video people gatekeeping “serious” vs functional Your point might have some merit but SD will hold out for the next 5-8 years that purchasers of this machine will expect
- drewzero1 5y agoRegardless of the potential merits of alternative storage formats, it's a good point that people who have needed an SD card reader since their removal have probably gone out and bought external ones by now. I'd expect the standalone units to generally be higher-quality than the ones that would be built in. That said, I'm glad to see Apple has finally realized some of the ways they've been alienating their customer base, and they appear to be walking back some of their most unpopular changes.
- vmception 5y agoApple has sold their dual GPU late 2015 powerhouse model on the website, allowing people to completely skip the USBC donglebook with butterfly keyboards and touch bar I’m looking forward to having that in the new processor and with touchbar They are acknowledging the folly of their ways as they have gotten rid of the butterfly keyboard, adding magsafe back, and adding sd cards back They are making the least contentious and perfect machine
- drewzero1 5y ago> They are making the least contentious and perfect machine My "perfect machine" could also play DVDs, but that may be getting a bit contentious.
- D13Fd 5y agoI mentioned what I use, not what everyone uses (Nikon D850, XQD card). True, XQD has mostly been replaced by CFExpress. Regardless, the point remains that high-end cameras often use high-end memory cards that are not SD cards.
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- melq 5y agoAs a musician with tons of peripherals, some of which are annoyingly sensitive and can't be used through hubs or anything but straight-through adapters (my turntable mixer's digital interface, for example), I welcome the return of the ports. Its not uncommon to have an audio interface, one or more midi controllers, the aforementioned mixer all connected for instance. And basically all of those things still use USB-B ports for whatever reason, and I never see USB-B to C cables ever.
- kube-system 5y agoSearch "USB-C Printer Cable" and you'll find a number of results, i.e.: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=33457 https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=33457
- threeseed 5y ago> and I never see USB-B to C cables ever Have you heard of these obscure websites called Amazon or eBay. They have tens of thousands of cables in every configuration you need.
- domano 5y agoIt is very difficult to find some cables and adapters on amazon due to the bias towarda the most popular kinda of cables.
- melq 5y agoThe last time I searched amazon for usb-b to usb-c cables I genuinely couldn't find any. I bet I would have better luck searching for 'usb-c printer cable' as someone else pointed out, but I didn't think of that. Last time I needed a cable on short notice before a gig I had to settle for an adapter, and was really lucky that it worked. I've had other seemingly simple pin-to-pin adapters not work on me before. Next time I'm in a jam I'll run down to my local ebay though, thank you for this super helpful reply.
- rumori 5y agoJust bought an USB-C to USB-B cable for my Macbook Air m1 and an iConnectivity midi interface and it didn't work. (Brand was Equip). Another cable from Delock to mini USB-A was fine though. Some of these cables seem to be only for charging so do some research. Best bet seems to be Apple adapter even tough I had them break every year or so.
- chipotle_coyote 5y agoMy impression from these reports is that Apple is planning to differentiate their laptops more strongly than they have been: there will be ones that place "thin and light" as a priority, and ones that place "give me more I/O, dammit" as a priority. If you want a high-performing Mac laptop that's thin and light and you don't care abort ports (hi, this is me), you can already get an M1 Air that has the same performance as the M1 MBP (and this is exactly what I did). The M1 Air is good enough that you're not really losing anything other than the perceived cachet of putting "Pro" on the nameplate. (Well, you are also losing the Touch Bar, but one can argue that's actually a net gain.) From these reports, the next revision to the Air is going to get a bit of a redesign, colors, faster CPU, etc., but "Air" is still almost certainly going to mean the line that prioritizes being thin and light. You will still have a Mac laptop that gives you what you want. But people who do want more ports will, for the first time since Mac laptops went USB-C, also get what they want. (Or at least get closer to it.)
- tinus_hn 5y agoThere’s SD cards for 99% of all hardware, and then there’s a ton of different standards for all these niches. Like CompactFlash, XQD is a dead format already. Apple isn’t going to add ports for that.
- kobe_bryant 5y agoI'm pretty sure they're done with the touch bar
- skrtskrt 5y agoAre there any rumors about that? That's the only change that my next laptop isn't a ThinkPad
- x0x0 5y agoThe image here https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/21/apple-ransomware-leak-new-macbook-pro/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/21/apple-ransomware-leak-new-mac... looks like it has physical keys. I think that's the right side of the laptop, so from the bottom up, it is shift, return, \, delete, and the connectors for the fingerprint sensor. hallelujah
- aaronbrethorst 5y agoYou hate the Touch Bar so much that if Apple's next round of laptops includes one you'll stop using macOS and start using Linux (or Windows) on your laptop instead?
- roboyoshi 5y agoSadly not that much, but I for one really dislike their decision on keeping it. It adds no value at all to my workflow; quite the contrary - It distracts and disrupts me a lot. Would love to get rid of it; but I learned to ignore it. There are apps that can completely disable it (Nocturnal).
- mixmastamyk 5y agoPersonally don't care for the touchbar, but it is fun sometimes as I have an external keyboard. The fact the OS runs a dozen network services without being able to deactivate them is (the final straw) the pushed me back into the Linux camp.
- skrtskrt 5y agoRight now I have an Air. Besides price, the main reason for getting an Air was not having the touch bar. That's non negotiable for me. I want to both beef up the memory/processing power of my laptop and switch to Linux (which comes with built-in performance bonus of native Docker). So I am headed to ThinkPad anyway, but there's a chance Apple could keep me locked in if they make a nicely-powered proper dev machine with no damn touch bar. Migrating to Big Sur has been a pain in the ass even though I am still on an Intel model. Tons of Python language versions and packages are a total PITA to get built on Big Sur. To be fair this seems to be a pretty Python-specific issue, but the inability to do much about it really has dug the feeling into me that I don't own/control my machine, Apple does.
- miles 5y ago> I'd immediately buy an M1 MBP with MagSafe and actual ports Looks like you won't have too long to wait: Apple ransomware leak corroborates 2021 MacBook Pro ports: HDMI, MagSafe, SD card slot https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/21/apple-ransomware-leak-new-macbook-pro/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/21/apple-ransomware-leak-new-mac...
- offtop5 5y agoThe lack of ports is what drove me to buy a Mini. Not exactly sure if I'll end up buying a MBP later though. I basically only use my Mac for recording audio, and once you get your mic set up , your not too portable anyway
- paulpan 5y agoIs Apple even going to refresh any of its Mac products with Intel CPUs at this point? When they first announced the transition last year, it was implied that some products will still get refreshed during the 2-year transition period. But based on this article and common sense, there is minimal incentive to do an Intel refresh. Refreshing both discourages buying of Apple silicon-powered Macs and lessens the performance jump that Apple is so eager to publicize. For example, Tiger Lake H-series was just announced/released and it'd logically target the Macbook Pro 16.
- rsynnott 5y agoI'd be a little surprised if Apple release _any_ new Intel machine. I'd be _amazed_ if they release an Intel laptop. It would be generally slower than the 13" M1 (Anandtech has Tiger Lake H _just_ beating the M1 in for multithreaded workloads in short synthetic tests, but given the throttling shown (https://www.anandtech.com/show/16680/tiger-lake-h-performance-review/2 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16680/tiger-lake-h-performanc...) even in a presumably friendly reference laptop it wouldn't be competitive in the real world) and have far worse battery life, and be replaced in under a year; what would be the point?
- pinkybanana 5y agoAfter using M1 for some time I don't really want any Intel machine any more.
- Aaronn 5y agoThey refreshed the iMac with new Intel processors two months after the Apple Silicon transition was announced, I think that is what they were referring to. I doubt any other computers will get new Intel processors at this point.
- lukeh 5y agoPerhaps the Intel Mac Pro?
- barkingcat 5y agoLarge integrators like Apple usually have a tie line to inside Intel (in this case, probably at the CEO/VP levels) that would feed information to Apple regarding product lines. Yes, Tiger Lake H-series was just announced, but it's likely Intel proposed selling this chip to Apple 2.5 years ago, and Apple didn't like the roadmap, and said No Thanks. That's how much time supply chain changes like the move to apple silicon chip will need - I wouldn't be surprised if Apple already knew of all of Intel's roadmaps 5 years into the future, and decided, nope. No thanks. Not giving any more money to Intel. From this point of view, you can tell, it's detrimental to Apple to go back to Intel now, if they wanted to use the Tiger Lake H they would have used the threat of M1 as a bargaining chip to lower the pricing on upcoming chips. It's obvious they didn't do that.
- lolsal 5y ago> Even if they continue to force the anti-feature that is the Touch Bar onto users For what it's worth, once I got the physical escape key back, I've come to really like the Touch Bar.
- un_montagnard 5y agoI hope they come with support for more than one external screen.