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Terms and Conditions Game
- dado3212 5y ago> To opt out of opting in to receive marketing alerts avoid not clicking Yes This one got me pretty good.
- croes 5y agoWas the hardest for me.
- Aeolun 5y agoI just turned my brain off and apparently my subconscious was good enough to pick correct. That, or I was just lucky.
- modernerd 5y agoI processed it backwards: 1. not clicking Yes -> clicking No 2. avoid clicking No -> click Yes 3. To opt out of opting in -> To opt out of => To opt out of receiving alerts click Yes.
- PebblesRox 5y agoI think this was one of the two that I missed. The timer was running out so I panicked and just made my best guess!
- zild3d 5y agohuh I found this one to be pretty straightforward "to opt out of opting in" -> ok so just "to opt out" avoid not clicking yes -> double negative so "click yes" the dependent logic statements like "none of the above are true" on the other hand..
- Arainach 5y agoOK, I give up, what's the trick to #22?
- croes 5y agoClick the word "No" in the text above the button. Works better on mobile browsers.
- Arainach 5y agoInteresting. I definitely tried that on desktop without success, thanks for confirming.
- kashug 5y agoIt seems to be something wrong on desktop. When I inspect the DOM you can see that the location of where you can click is not at the actual text.
- haar 5y agoI tried that and it seemed broken for me, for some reason clicking agree in the text above marked it as passed :confused:
- chrismorgan 5y ago> Please click yes to agree to the Terms and Conditions. Or No to decline Click No. Not all buttons are styled as buttons!
- chairmanwow1 5y agoThis is fantastic satire. Pretty warped little world we've created for ourselves.
- rcarmo 5y agoThis is brilliantly real. I LOLed at several points, including the “pick the next square in the sequence” and the checkbox mini-game.
- _Microft 5y agoThis game definitely messed me up. I checked out the "Home gardening" [0] submission right after playing the game and was thinking about which links I may click there for longer than I should have. [0] http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/homegardening/ http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/homegardening/
- js8 5y agoHas anybody made it through that site's terms and conditions?
- firefoxd 5y agoWhat a stressful game. Thank God there are no timers in real life terms and conditions.
- chrismorgan 5y ago> no timers in real life terms and conditions I’m not sure whether you’re being serious about this or not. But I’ve come across distressingly many cases where they’ll expire your session (and probably without telling you) long before you’d have time to actually read the full T&Cs they require you to theoretically accept.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago"Theoretically" being the keyword. "By using this website, you agree..." How can I read their silly terms of conditions if I must use their website in order to even obtain a copy? The truth is these people are going to do whatever they want regardless of how anyone feels about it and they won't care until they get fined out of existence.
- chrismorgan 5y agoIt’s more things like purchasing something that requires ToS acceptance, but they expire your entire session after ten minutes (think airlines as an example where this is almost reasonable), but they have far more than ten minutes’ worth of ToS for you to read. I say “theoretically” because most jurisdictions have steadily headed in the direction of ignoring consumer-grade terms of service and EULAs, to the point of only considering terms that a reasonable person would expect to find there to be enforceable, since culturally it’s reached the point where it’s understood that no one reads them.
- swiley 5y agoIf I take too long with stuff like this I get yelled at by either my GF or a coworker.
- avodonosov 5y agohttp://avodonosov.blogspot.com/2021/05/2021-05-01.html http://avodonosov.blogspot.com/2021/05/2021-05-01.html
- superasn 5y agoI use the "I don't care about cookies" chrome ext and it has made my life better. But I guess using that extension you are kinda accepting all cookies.
- croes 5y agoTo bad the cookie for only strictly necessary cookies is not strictly necessary.
- inopinatus 5y agoTick for permission to fill up localstorage with crap
- thih9 5y ago> Why do they show it every time? I assume if the user chooses “strictly necessary cookies”, SO saves as little data as possible, and they decide to not save that choice. Obviously the UX is terrible for the user concerned about privacy. One option that for now still works is to hide the popup with an external tool like uBlock Origin.
- pmontra 5y agoUntil they'll start drawing web sites on canvas with webassembly.
- matheusmoreira 5y agoIs this really something that's likely to happen?
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- allenu 5y agoFun little game. I was actually wondering today, is there a good website out there that parodies modern webpages really well, with “please subscribe for updates”, little prompts from bots to chat, and other things like that?
- peterburkimsher 5y agoIt's a game with a lot of trick questions. These are the ones I got wrong the first time around. 11: To opt out of opting in to receive marketing alerts avoid not clicking Yes 14: Select the next square in the sequence 20: We would like to send you notifications. Do you disagree to receiving them? 25: (I still can't get this one!) Select the one truthful statement to opt out of cookies. All the statements below are true. None of the statements below are true. None of the statements above are true. Thanks for visiting Evil Corp We attempted to access your data 29 times and you were kind enough to give it to us 4 times. That's better than 73% of players You took 351.52 seconds to complete the game That's faster than 23% of players You did particularly well with speedy questions Thanks for playing Terms And Conditions Apply Please share with friends so we can extract their data* *Disclaimer: Game does not extract real data
- JrProgrammer 5y agoSPOILER! It's the third option for question 25! You know there can only be one answer right and the only answer that leaves just one possibility is the third one. It also seems you have a hard time responding to inverted questions. Just like in logic I try to invert the meaning. If you invert the meaning of the sentence, you also want to invert the answer. Let's say we inverted disagree into agree in question 20. The question would then become: Do you agree to receiving them? The answer would be no. If you then invert the question back the answer would be yes.
- croes 5y ago#25: Answer 1 and 2 are mutually exclusive, so both are false. That makes answer 3 the correct one.
- alexf95 5y agoFun game, I wonder if all the stages are technically legal.
- asddubs 5y agonot in europe, i can tell you that much
- artificial 5y agoThe recent interactive submissions are stellar!
- personjerry 5y agoWhat's the trick to 28?
- JUNGLEISMASSIVE 5y agoThe trick is to use browser devtools to inspect the state of the buttons.
- Jarwain 5y agoDo it, and if it doesn't pass, flip on 3 and do it again? 29 is harder; the trick there is to wait for it to finish spinning before trying the next possible combo; it usually finishes spinning in the same position that it started in
- jonplackett 5y agoHey - co-creator here. There's a great explanation for this in the Guardian column that features some of the questions. This is my favourite question because it's really hard, but once you get the explanation it's very satisfying! https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/17/did-you-solve-it-are-you-smart-enough-to-opt-out-of-cookies https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/17/did-you-solv...
- StavrosK 5y agoDo you know why it tells me it "tried to access my data 28 times" but won't let me retry the extra question I failed or tell me which one it was? There are 29 in total, no? https://imgz.org/iCT476pV/ https://imgz.org/iCT476pV/
- jonplackett 5y agoGood question! Will investigate!
- smw 5y agoThe group of 5 checkboxes doesn't appear to show up on firefox 88.01/linux.
- lanewinfield 5y agoThis is awesome. We made a game in a related vein: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/21/opinion/privacy-chicken-game.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/21/opinion/priva...
- shard 5y agoThat seems like the opposite game to me, I couldn't proceed without agreeing to provide personal information.
- reputet 5y ago"Featured in The Guardian" [1] The funny thing is, when you click it (top left corner), you get to The Guardian web page that asks whether you want to accept cookies. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/17/can-you-solve-it-are-you-smart-enough-to-opt-out-of-cookies https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/17/can-you-solv...
- swiley 5y agoI never interact with those. If they get in the way of reading something I fix it with the DOM inspector (by hiding, not deleting them. In case javascript is looking for the presence of the element.) This has more than tripled the amount of time it takes to read an answer from stack overflow but I refuse to do something just because of a bad GUI.
- zerox7felf 5y agoI find the reader-mode (I think it is called?) in firefox to be great at doing this for me :)
- zeta0134 5y agouBlock Origin has a handy filter under "annoyances" that seems to clear out several of these. Not perfect, but it helps. I'm still baffled at the way this was rolled out. Why are we putting the requirement on website authors, and not browser vendors? There's a lot fewer of those to regulate.
- marcosdumay 5y ago> Why are we putting the requirement on website authors, and not browser vendors? Because the website authors are the ones misbehaving. Why would the browser vendors pay the price? I'm in complete support for punishing any abuse of market position from the browser vendors too, but that's not the answer you seek. Anyway, the correct course of action is to punish the website authors further for using those anti-patterns.
- JUNGLEISMASSIVE 5y agoThe Nethack-ish stats breakdown at the end is great. I wish more games did this kinda thing, it adds to immersion.
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- Folcon 5y agoNot sure about 27 and 29...
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- pdenton 5y agoThis was fun! I gave my data 2 times, questions 6 and 10 bit me. 6 because I only asked the wrong assistant and moved on, 10 because it got me really confused. The question didn't mention if true or false would opt-out, so I wonder if an accurate decision can be made with the information provided.
- LodeOfCode 5y agoFor #10, both buttons say the black button is opt out. Since the question says at most one is true, they're both false and white is opt out.
- vitus 5y agoYou can actually solve that problem by asking just one assistant "What will the other assistant say?" If you're asking the truthful assistant, then it'll correctly tell you that the other assistant will point at the wrong answer. If you're asking the untruthful assistant, it'll lie and say that the other assistant will point at the wrong answer.
- klmadfejno 5y agoI found this question poorly worded, because you can only ask "What would the other assistant tell me to do". I assumed both would try to tell me to agree to the terms. Not what would they tell me to do if I asked them how to opt out.
- jonplackett 5y agoHey - co-creator here. Bit of background: Every website now greats you with a plethora of pop-ups; Cookie permission, GDPR consent, newsletters, notifications. We’re all becoming unwilling experts at quickly clicking the right clicks (and crossing our fingers we didn’t give away anything too important). I thought it would be fun to try and make a game out of it. Puzzles are inspired by (or outright stolen) from real dark patterns that companies are using right now. I worked with puzzle writer Alex Bellos to help create the pop-up-puzzles. Three of the challenges are featured today in his Guardian column. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/17/can-you-solve-it-are-you-smart-enough-to-opt-out-of-cookies https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/17/can-you-solv... Thanks darkpatterns.org, reddit.com/r/darkpatterns, webtransparency.cs.princeton.edu/dark-patterns/ and of course HN for all the inspiration! Also a shout out to plausible.io which I used for web analytics since we couldn’t really have a cookie consent banner on our own site.
- _Microft 5y agoIdea for another dialog: A number of buttons and a somewhat complicated description that says that any of the shown buttons would decline the terms but the innocuous close button in the corner of the dialog would accept them. This might catch people who think to have found a shortcut in this close button over having to actually decide which button might be the correct one.
- yccs27 5y agoLoved the mini puzzle games. Unfortunately question 27 is basically impossible on mobile devices, I spent way too long on that.
- nabakin 5y agoAll of the questions were possible for me on mobile. There was just one question where you had to press and hold if you were on mobile and you can't know to do that unless you've played it at least once already.
- PebblesRox 5y agoDo you remember which one that was?
- nabakin 5y agoJust checked for you and it's 27
- codeulike 5y agoIts like trying to not sign up for Amazon Prime
- 600frogs 5y agoThe "choose a country to agree to the terms and conditions" should have an alternative answer - let the timer run out! I was really smug about answering that one until it marked it as incorrect.
- StavrosK 5y agoWell they all require active consent so then letting the timer run out would have to be a right answer on all of them.
- 600frogs 5y agoThe only winning move is not to play - oddly apt for some of the EvilCorp sites!
- joshspankit 5y agoHaha I now wish there were stats for “25 people immediately closed the window so we got 0 information”
- ncallaway 5y agoOne of them constructed themselves as an opt out, that required you to click yes in order to opt out. The way I read it, a timer expiration on that one would have opted you in
- TeMPOraL 5y agoDoesn't matter what the text says, if you're from EU, opting you in without your explicit consent would be illegal.
- ncallaway 5y agoSure, but: A) It's a satire game, so the rules of the game may not perfectly align with the laws of the EU. B) I'm not from the EU, so who knows, that shit might be just fine in my jurisdiction. We'd have to put it in front of a judge to find out. I'm guessing it wouldn't fly, but I've seen the United States Courts come to stupider conclusions.
- inteoryx 5y agoI'm impressed at how fast other people are. On my first playthrough I was ~40 percentile for speed. Even on my second I was only ~52 percentile and that was when I knew the answers! I finally just went through a third time and clicked the buttons barely bothering to read and got 94 percentile. Either others are fast or I am slow or people who quit early contribute to the duration stats. (Or some combination). Fun game!
- squarefoot 5y agoReally fun, enjoyed it. Hopefully it won't become an inspiration for real evil corps out there.
- tempodox 5y agoI think the point of the game is that it took its cues from real evil corps out there. Of course it's a little bit overblown, but really only a little bit.
- dalbasal 5y agoIDK why exactly, but the sphinx question literally made me lol. There's a very weird confluence to this. Maybe this has all happened before.
- narven 5y agoLove games that mimic real life. Best thing after Doom Game.
- teddyh 5y agoIf you like this kind of thing, I suggest taking the “Cluss Test”: https://absentprof.missouristate.edu/Assets/WritingCenter/Cluss_Test_Taking_Pop_Quiz.pdf https://absentprof.missouristate.edu/Assets/WritingCenter/Cl... People who take a lot of multiple-choice tests have learned all the tricks, and can probably get 100%. BTW, Evil Corp did not fool me: We attempted to access your data 29 times Unfortunately, we were unable to access any of it. That's better than 99% of players You took 424.41 seconds to complete the game That's faster than 10% of players You did particularly well with speedy questions I’m not sure to be proud of this, or to be ashamed of the state of the world which has trained me to do this well.
- agent008t 5y agoWhere are the correct answers for the Cluss test?
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- dipi 5y agoSearching for "cluss test" I've found those slides with many of the answers and the reasons behind them: https://www.uthsc.edu/sassi/documents/test-taking-active.pdf https://www.uthsc.edu/sassi/documents/test-taking-active.pdf
- cecilpl2 5y agoThe correct answers for this test are: SPOILERS (answers in rot-13) 1. N 2. O 3. P 4. Q 5. N 6. O 7. P 8. Q
- peterhung 5y ago"Would you like to not receive our newsletter?" - Super interesting. Not sure if any real site actually writes so.
- juancampa 5y agoIs Firefox/Brave/etc working on a Browser API for these prompts? So users can opt-in or opt-out en masse? I'm guessing Chrome isn't for obvious reasons. The internet is broken right now
- gruez 5y agoHow do you solve question 8 aka "Untick all checkboxes to reject Terms and Conditions. When you tap on a checkbox, all the checkboxes change status apart from the one you tapped"?
- PebblesRox 5y agoTap a space that's in the minority. It will reverse relative to the rest. So if there are more checks them empties, tap an empty. If there are more empties, tap a check. Eventually you have all but one boxes checked. Tap the empty box and the checks will clear.
- jcranmer 5y agoRandom flailing is pretty effective. You're looking for 1 state out of ~128 (I forgot how many check boxes there are), so a random walk will get you there before too long.
- traib 5y agoMemorize all starting ticked positions (there's only 4). Then simply tap those (and only those) positions one by one, you'll have everything unticked after you tap the last one. Caveat: Works if the number of starting ticks is even. Proof: Tapping does not change the state of the tapped checkbox, but flips all others. There are only two states (ticked / unticked) => If a checkbox is flipped an even number of times, its final state is the same as its initial state. And if a checkbox is flipped an odd number of times, it's final state is the opposite of its initial state. There are an even number of starting ticks (n = 4). So by tapping all starting ticked positions, we are flipping the rest an even number of times (n), and the starting ticked positions an odd number of times (n - 1).
- fumar 5y agoIt feels like the movie Brazil for today.
- mLuby 5y agoFunny and disgusting, well-executed satire! I wish there was a browser extension or other automation that could decline/minimally configure these things correctly. Fight scale with scale, you know?
- KerrickStaley 5y agoI think I'm missing something on this question: > Answer very, very carefully. Do you agree to the terms & conditions? I think you want to click "No", but it's telling me that the correct answer is to click "Yes".
- missblit 5y agoYou do want to click No. Are you sure that is what you clicked... or was it just what you hovered over before clicking?
- LinAGKar 5y agoThat question is broken on mobile then
- KerrickStaley 5y agoThat must be it. I was doing this on a mobile device where there is no "hover" action.
- intrasight 5y agoBrilliant. And actually fun.
- joestr87 5y agoIn the one with the two assistants - “What would the other one tell me to click” - they said it was the white button (meaning they’d really want you to press the blue one). But the white button was ‘incorrect’. Surely the assistant would want you to accept the terms no?