4 ms·
I won’t comment on this specific incident but I think this is one among many such incidents that are part of a new trend: what you say publicly has much more ch
by baby 6y ago
I won’t comment on this specific incident but I think this is one among many such incidents that are part of a new trend: what you say publicly has much more chance to bite you in the ass later. No matter how much you changed. This is especially dangerous for kids IMO as r/kidsarefuckingstupid.
I’ll add that I don’t necessarily think this trend will remain. I think there are two reasons that make the cancelling culture so powerful today:
- Internet amplifies social issues. Without internet and social networks my theory is that many oppressed minorities would never have gotten justice.
- On top of that America is realizing that most of the country is is still stuck in an embarrassingly dark past, and for many people a zero tolerance approach is the only way to fight this war. (Politics is war without blood.)
- tmpz22 6y agoForget politics, this man was a red pill ideologue who, among other things, would brag about the number of women he's impregnated [1]. If this is the hill anyone wants to die on - holy cow. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5b4tqe/i_am_antonio_garcia_martinez_a_tech_entrepreneur/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5b4tqe/i_am_antonio_g... Edit: * added citation * changed "the hill you want" to "the hill anyone wants"
- sonograph 6y ago> this man was a red pill ideologue What does a 'red pill ideologue' mean? Yes, I've seen the Matrix but I don't understand But wow, that Reddit post is shocking
- GuB-42 6y agoIt is a movement glorifying the "alpha male" idea. The strongest man rules and get all the women. It is called "red pill" because of the idea that it is the real truth of this world.
- tmpz22 6y agoPretty much end-game toxic masculinity - men blaming women for not wanting to sleep with them and promoting "pick-up artist" strategies like negging, gas-lighting, and other despicable behavior in an attempt to get laid. It grew into a fairly large subreddit.
- baby 6y agoOh boy, be prepared to rage. Just check r/redpill
- neom 6y agoNot easy watching, interrogation of a young man who took it to the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFWovUuWak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFWovUuWak
- mindcrime 6y agoThere's a sub-culture of men who identify as "The Red Pill" who harbor some, uh, non-mainstream, ideological beliefs. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/
- MikeUt 6y agoThere's a documentary about one part of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Pill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Pill Or you could look at the most extreme examples the other commenters are trying to present as the norm.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoThe goal, presumably, is to address the problem before people start feeling obligated to die on hills. This guy's made some very offensive comments, so I feel no pressure to defend him personally, but we've got to have a better process for deciding what's socially acceptable than "sometimes the eye of Twitter descends on you and you become unemployable".
- gruez 6y ago[deleted]
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- pseudalopex 6y agoTry pregnant.
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- skavi 6y agothe OP?
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y agoI'm on mobile right now, so I can't verify. But I don't think ctrl-f matches text in posts that are hidden due to low score. I would look in some of those.
- carreau 6y agoSearch just for "preg" or read at maximum 3 sentences from linked posts. "pregnant" is the 60th word.
- hn8788 6y agoIt doesn't sound like he's bragging about it, he's mentioning shitty things he's done and how it's common among people in SV. I had to look it up, but calling yourself a "wastrel" doesn't sound like bragging. n.One who wastes, especially one who wastes money; a profligate n.An idler or a loafer. n.Anything cast away as spoiled in the making, or bad; waste; refuse.
- pseudalopex 6y agoDo you think calling yourself a bad boy is self criticism? He wants people to see him as a scoundrel with a heart of gold. Nothing I've seen from him has been regretful or contrite.
- Swenrekcah 6y agoI’m kind of torn on this. I don’t know the guy or of his existence until now, but from his own into to that AMA he’s the kind of person that brags about having no loyalty or integrity so I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect any in return from his employer. However this must all have been clear from day 1 so this can only be a PR move on Apple’s behalf which is not a great look either. There are no winners in this story, only losers. Including society which got thrown yet another polarising piece of social media drama.
- roenxi 6y ago> If this is the hill anyone wants to die on - holy cow Which hill do you think is appropriate? The line has to be drawn at least a standard deviation below average behaviour or there will be a lot of unemployed people. Especially with the context that nearly everyone has socially unacceptable views, most just usually try not to talk about them. I'm sure it'll come out in the conversation, but none of the commentors are rushing to accuse him of doing anything. It takes 2 to get a woman pregnant.
- tmpz22 6y agoThis is not a debate about "cancel culture". This is about a awful person who should not be hired into a leadership role where he is directly responsible for people he has treated horrifically in the past. And, like most narcissists, the evidence is in his own public statements and actions - not applied by the media or any outside group.
- roenxi 6y ago> ...people he has treated horrifically in the past... That is a bit of an escalation from being an ideologue. What are you actually unhappy about here? What do you think he's done? > This is about a awful person who should not be hired into a leadership role... Well again, being an awful person and being unqualified for leadership are different things and need to be argued separately. There are lots of great business leaders who were awful people. Eg, Henry Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle by the Nazis. It isn't like the ranks of business have or ever will be made up of exclusively nice or praiseworthy people.
- taylodl 6y agoI’m tired of this trope. It excuses boorish behavior and ignores all the business leaders who haven’t acted like asses.
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- mdeeks 6y agoIt doesn't appear he has "changed". He has an Amazon link directly to his book prominently as the first item in his Twitter profile. Would you want to work with someone who considers you "useless baggage" because of how you were born? More importantly, would you want to work under someone who thinks you're useless baggage no matter what you do?
- smoldesu 6y agoAs long as that commentary doesn't interfere with his work life... I guess that would be fine. If everything we ever said on the internet was traced back to our name, we'd all have some pretty embarrassing blemishes. That's because failure is a part of learning, and social media has ultimately removed all of the nuance from failure. Instead of helping people up, we're more interested in kicking them while they're down for a little extra virtue to signal. We're all guilty of this to some degree: it's really just the human condition being exacerbated through the lens of the internet. This guy sounds like a dick, but he doesn't sound like he's done anything wrong in this situation either. He had appropriate motivation to perform well in his position, and if Apple's human resources are worth their salt they'd be monitoring his performance very closely for the first month or two.
- kemayo 6y agoThe problem with someone being a dick is when you're hiring them for a role with any sort of authority, particularly if their dickishness is in any way directed at specific groups. I think there's a fairly reasonable concern that if he was in any sort of role with authority he couldn't be trusted to fairly deal with women. Sure, lots of people have biases and are probably unfair. But this one wrote a NYT bestselling book where he loudly talked about his biases, and doesn't seem to have become contrite. HR complaints were very much guaranteed once this became known.
- lamontcg 6y agoRelated, The No Asshole Rule: https://www.amazon.com/Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace-Surviving/dp/1600245854 https://www.amazon.com/Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace-Surv... People don't compartmentalize anywhere near as well as some of the assumptions in this thread, and someone who is an asshole in private is going to be an asshole on the job. The "if it doesn't affect him doing his job" comments are either naive or completely disingenuous.
- raxxorrax 5y agoThis is a pretty childish perspective and doesn't fit what people that fight against discrimination want to convey at all. You have constructed a strawman you are fighting against, perhaps to elevate yourself. If you believe there are tons of uncivilized people around you, it is probably just imagination and exactly what people describe as moral panic.