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maybe that's what happens when you give designers too much power. They will create something beautiful at the expense of daily usability. You need some balanc

maybe that's what happens when you give designers too much power. They will create something beautiful at the expense of daily usability. You need some balance. The key is to produce the best looking product without compromising functionality or usability.

zukzuk 5y ago
Designers design for usability. The idea that design is about "making things pretty" is on par with the idea that software development is about making computers crunch numbers.
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago
  So fundamentally correct?
- dylan604 5y ago
  Not sure I agree with that. The trashcan MacPro was definitely not useable as far as what Pro Mac users wanted/needed. That was definitely designed for the designer's sake totally misunderstanding the user's needs.
  - davidivadavid 5y ago
    So it was just bad design.
  - pembrook 5y ago
    So it was poorly designed. Not sure how that has anything to do with the parent's argument.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      >Designers design for usability. It wasn't usable for the majority of the market. Even in the infamous mea culpa Apple made about it, they admitted they designed themselves into a corner. It was designed so poorly, they had to take years to undo it after admitting it needed to be done.
      - ska 5y ago
        Right, but that doesn't change the fact that usability is part of design, not something separable from it. GP was complaining about the common and incorrect trope that design is limited to aesthetics.
        mrkstu 5y ago
        I think he was complaining that Apple was the one that had lost the plot and had started separating the two, not that they should be.
        ska 5y ago
        I think it's pretty much impossible to determine apple's intent here, for the obvious reasons.
- lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
  > Designers design for usability. In theory. In practice, designers design for two things: market demand, and personal predilection.
  - davidivadavid 5y ago
    So like everyone who does any job, sure.
    - lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
      Not in every job your personal predilection is part of your literal resume.
anonymouse008 5y ago
Bam! Jobs was the counter weight in that relationship.
dkdbejwi383 5y ago
Design isn’t just about how something looks, but also how it behaves

zukzuk 5y ago

Designers design for usability. The idea that design is about "making things pretty" is on par with the idea that software development is about making computers crunch numbers.

read_if_gay_ 5y ago
So fundamentally correct?
dylan604 5y ago
Not sure I agree with that. The trashcan MacPro was definitely not useable as far as what Pro Mac users wanted/needed. That was definitely designed for the designer's sake totally misunderstanding the user's needs.
- davidivadavid 5y ago
  So it was just bad design.
- pembrook 5y ago
  So it was poorly designed. Not sure how that has anything to do with the parent's argument.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    >Designers design for usability. It wasn't usable for the majority of the market. Even in the infamous mea culpa Apple made about it, they admitted they designed themselves into a corner. It was designed so poorly, they had to take years to undo it after admitting it needed to be done.
    - ska 5y ago
      Right, but that doesn't change the fact that usability is part of design, not something separable from it. GP was complaining about the common and incorrect trope that design is limited to aesthetics.
      - mrkstu 5y ago
        I think he was complaining that Apple was the one that had lost the plot and had started separating the two, not that they should be.
        ska 5y ago
        I think it's pretty much impossible to determine apple's intent here, for the obvious reasons.
lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
> Designers design for usability. In theory. In practice, designers design for two things: market demand, and personal predilection.
- davidivadavid 5y ago
  So like everyone who does any job, sure.
  - lurkerasdfh8 5y ago
    Not in every job your personal predilection is part of your literal resume.

anonymouse008 5y ago

Bam! Jobs was the counter weight in that relationship.

dkdbejwi383 5y ago

Design isn’t just about how something looks, but also how it behaves