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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

338 points by jbegley 6y ago

mynameishere 6y ago
Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.
- throwaway292893 6y ago
  The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-admits-nursing-home-coverup-stefanik-calls-for-prosecution/ar-BB1dCWvm https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths-totals-aides-altered-report-july/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths-total... He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them, even though that's how the first major outbreak happened in Washington state. He then covered it all up by trying to attribute the deaths to hospitals. Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about those deaths. His aide admitted to it. He should be in jail. He killed at least 15,000 people as a direct result of his orders. I just hope they investigate the other 5 governors that sent the people with covid back into nursing homes. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/five-governors-cuomo-covid-19-positive-patients-nursing-homes https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/five-governors-cuomo... They should have all known. This is how it all started, it seems deliberate. Cover-up or not, they are all either dangerously incompetent or malicious.
  - thehappypm 6y ago
    Because when it's your guy getting attacked, it's a conspiracy. When it's the other guy, it's righteous.
  - kbelder 6y ago
    While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the post-facto coverup, that doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt. That's just sleaze and corruption.
    - throwaway292893 6y ago
      The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is indefensible.
      - ggamecrazy 6y ago
        Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.
        throwaway292893 6y ago
        45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario. Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.
        plussed_reader 6y ago
        And if there aren't enough bodies to meet that requirement, then what?
        6y ago
  - ggamecrazy 6y ago
    > He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them... Don't mean to be aggressive but where else would you like for the people whose domicile is in the nursing home to go? These are not people in independent living facilities, they likely need 24/7 skilled care. Allowing the people to go back to the nursing home (aka their home) seemed like the right thing to do at the time. It unfortunately didn't play out so well and I am glad I wasn't the one making that decision. I think it was a tough decision. The nursing homes could have contained the spread but clearly were incapable of doing so. > Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about those deaths. No excuse for that, just lay it all out. The stonewalling was intentional and possibly illegal, he should answer for that.
    - throwaway292893 6y ago
      There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?
      - jmisavage 6y ago
        The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being over capacity. The military specifically was testing everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid because it can spread way faster in the confines of a ship.
        throwaway292893 6y ago
        The point is those ships were under capacity the whole time. Send more non-covid patients to them, keep elderly patients in the hospitals. New York never reached full capacity overall. If you MUST send covid patients to nursing homes, make sure they are prepared with PPE. Other states did so, Cuomo and the 5 other governors should have known to do so. We already had outbreaks in a nursing home that everyone was aware of.
        6y ago
  - encryptluks2 6y ago
    Like Newsom who gave the biggest non-apology I've seen about getting caught violating his own COVID-19 stay-at-home orders, and then said the recall against him was being orchestrated by white supremacist antisemites (nazis) which is over 1.5 million people in his own state... I'm sure Cuomo will find something similar to say.
    - clairity 6y ago
      i'm ready to impeach newsom, but polling seems to suggests it's unlikely. i'd happily sign a petition to impeach LA mayor garcetti as well, if any were organized to do so. the pandemic response here was beyond stupidly awful--a combination of what-if based fearmongering and a frenzy of unadulterated free (i.e., debt-fueled) federal money-grubbing. the whole colored tier system was a farcical distraction from real mitigations like quarantining nursing homes and their staff who'd volunteer for 24-hour hero pay and 2-week on-off cycles (long enough to recuperate and re-quarantine), and asking people to distance indoors around familiars, which is where most transmission happens, rather than around strangers or out on the street where your silly mask-wearing does less than nothing. 90% of angelenos, by my anecdotal count, still wear masks outdoors, as if it were a talisman against impending death. despite unceasing media howling, our infection rates held relatively steady for a year, until recently, when vaccinations finally started to have a real effect on those rates. none of that (double-)mask-wearing, excessive hand-sanitizing, overly restrictive retail-closing, and incessant surface-disinfecting propounded by the state/county/city did anything to mitigate spread, only modest distancing indoors and restricted interfamilial contact had much mitigative effect (and the latter could have been handled much less invasively and damagingly). i'm decidedly unamused by the stupidity of it all and ready for new leadership of any stripe other than democrat or republican.
  - melling 6y ago
    I’m under the impression that people were supposed to be allowed to return to their nursing homes, from where they left. After they left the hospital they needed somewhere to go. Otherwise, they would be homeless. If nursing homes couldn’t safely take recovering patients back then people were in danger before these people left for the hospital. I also imagine there were COVID patients in the homes who didn’t need to go to a hospital
  - mrandish 6y ago
    > They should have all known. Before Washington state we had the clear data from the elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results. Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and immuno-compromised. The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice to go with broad lockdowns of everyone instead of the "focused protection" plan may go down as the worst public health error of modern times. Since they were hit hard and first, Hubei Province and Northern Italy at least have the excuse of no priors. By the time NY got hit any serious analyst knew and many were recommending circling the wagons around the vulnerable. I have no idea if fault lies with Cuomo personally or someone he delegated this to, but someone in NY seriously fucked up. Hell, in Bergamo prosecutors filed charges against some city/regional administrators for negligent manslaughter (or similar).
    - pyronik19 6y ago
      Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused protection.
      - mrandish 6y ago
        Yes, Florida focused their resources on protecting their elderly population and didn't implement broad lockdowns of people who weren't sick or at-risk. Their per-capita results are better than NY, CA and many other states. Sweden also deserves credit for getting the public health policy right. They had the right plan but have admitted they could have done better in some of the early execution phase around protecting elder facilities. 7
        splitstud 6y ago
        Tried and true method we learned over time. The leaders that were strong enough to respond properly should be congratulated. This was a gigantic shot to the foot by our public health leadership, most state and federal leaders, and fawning media. And it's not even close to over.
  - dkarl 6y ago
    > The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. The opposite, I thought -- he seemed to be weathering the nursing home scandal, and now the sex scandal seems to be taking him down. Before his sexual behavior was publicized, people were joking/not joking that Andrew Cuomo was the poster child for our (Democrats') inability to hold anyone accountable for anything as long as they seemed woke and likable and said all the right things on cultural issues. Then his sexual behavior hit the news, and it was like, wow, is there anything metoo can't do? At least now Democrats nationally want him gone, though it's always harder to get a popular politician's own constituents to turn against him.
  - atat7024 6y ago
    Nobody will ever be prosecuted for this, and that's less people taking what politicians see as limited funds.
- 1cvmask 6y ago
  Perhaps this is explained by Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
  - ggamecrazy 6y ago
    In retrospect I would have done the same: Force the nursing homes to accept their residents back if the residents have no other options. However, I would have throw in much more aid to the ones that were forced. Cash + PPE + National Guard. If I couldn't provide help, then I wouldn't force. That would mean that it would be up to the hospitals to figure it out and find a home for them or until they were covid-free. Obviously I'm playing backseat Covid response governor here. Hindsight is 20/20.
    - hajile 6y ago
      If you have to send residents back, you must create COVID and non-COVID facilities to ensure isolation. You also shouldn't send infected persons there just because you can.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    Maybe the initial decision, but not the deliberate coverup that occurred immediately after it and since then.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Who is "they"?
Fellshard 6y ago
At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?
- throwaway292893 6y ago
  We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.
  - Fellshard 6y ago
    I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.
    - throwaway292893 6y ago
      The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.
      - Fellshard 6y ago
        Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.
        jjoonathan 6y ago
        Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.
LatteLazy 6y ago
How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?
- chasd00 6y ago
  I don't know what data backs this site but you can start here and do some comparisons http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
- verdverm 6y ago
  Deaths per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... Cases per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covi... Attribution to lockdown or not is insufficient to determine these numbers. Mask adherence, population size, and climate are also important. Top 10 deaths per capita are dominated by New England and Southern states
  - lixtra 6y ago
    You should also take into account the age structure of the states. The median of Florida is 5 years higher than California’s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_age https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...
    - verdverm 6y ago
      and yet the differ very little in their outcomes (156 v 162 in D/C) as compared to NY at 267
- floxy 6y ago
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...
comodore_ 6y ago
the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring leader by his own brother, a CNN mouth piece, that got state funded special treatment when he had covid. Now CNN simply refuses to report on it. The media landscape is beyond broken in this country.
- nyczomg 6y ago
  They gave him a fucking Emmy in November: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/21/937445923/andrew-cuomo-to-receive-international-emmy-for-masterful-covid-19-briefings https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... And he published a fucking book in October: https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-Pandemic/dp/0593239261 https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P... Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....
  - comodore_ 6y ago
    yes, unreal. Also all this took place when he received a multi million dollar advance for his book "American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic", and remember this crazy thing https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-covid-poster-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-covid-p... how is any of this real?!?!
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    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      I assume anyone left watching 24 hour news channels is not very adept at critical thinking.
rangoon626 6y ago
Cuomo needs to be tried for what he did.
- atat7024 6y ago
  Anything specifically?
  - throwaway292893 6y ago
    15,000 counts of manslaughter, plus obstruction of justice for the cover up.
  - MattGaiser 6y ago
    Search #nuremburg2021 on Twitter. There is fairly robust group of people who consider reactions to covid 19 crimes against humanity and they are seeking trials against everyone involved. I personally know one of these people.
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renewiltord 6y ago
Fucking knew this guy was a fraud. The fact that any time anything was going poorly he'd pop up on TV and talk to his brother (who'd then tell him to talk to their Mom) was the giveaway. It was some straight up panem et circenses shite. People ate up that wholesome talk-to-mum shite. Fucking knew it. Then he'd periodically make some snarky anti-Trump remark to rally the troops. Very suspicious. Not like I'm upset by the remark, but if you're trying to pander to me, I start to question.
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exabrial 6y ago
Don't worry, media was complicit too.... because you know, orange man bad because reasons.
8bitsrule 6y ago
33% of all US Covid deaths have happened in nursing homes. Those 180,000+ deaths happened across the country. Some of the earliest US deaths happened in a Seattle nursing home. Some other early death clusters happened in VA hospitals. This is a public and private national disgrace, not just a Cuomo one. Cuomo didn't create our 'standards' for warehousing the elderly. We did that as a society.
- willio58 6y ago
  This is precisely why he should have just been honest about the numbers.

338 points by jbegley 6y ago

Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

throwaway292893 6y ago
The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-admits-nursing-home-coverup-stefanik-calls-for-prosecution/ar-BB1dCWvm https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths-totals-aides-altered-report-july/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths-total... He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them, even though that's how the first major outbreak happened in Washington state. He then covered it all up by trying to attribute the deaths to hospitals. Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about those deaths. His aide admitted to it. He should be in jail. He killed at least 15,000 people as a direct result of his orders. I just hope they investigate the other 5 governors that sent the people with covid back into nursing homes. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/five-governors-cuomo-covid-19-positive-patients-nursing-homes https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/five-governors-cuomo... They should have all known. This is how it all started, it seems deliberate. Cover-up or not, they are all either dangerously incompetent or malicious.
- thehappypm 6y ago
  Because when it's your guy getting attacked, it's a conspiracy. When it's the other guy, it's righteous.
- kbelder 6y ago
  While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the post-facto coverup, that doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt. That's just sleaze and corruption.
  - throwaway292893 6y ago
    The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is indefensible.
    - ggamecrazy 6y ago
      Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.
      - throwaway292893 6y ago
        45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario. Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.
        plussed_reader 6y ago
        And if there aren't enough bodies to meet that requirement, then what?
        6y ago
- ggamecrazy 6y ago
  > He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them... Don't mean to be aggressive but where else would you like for the people whose domicile is in the nursing home to go? These are not people in independent living facilities, they likely need 24/7 skilled care. Allowing the people to go back to the nursing home (aka their home) seemed like the right thing to do at the time. It unfortunately didn't play out so well and I am glad I wasn't the one making that decision. I think it was a tough decision. The nursing homes could have contained the spread but clearly were incapable of doing so. > Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about those deaths. No excuse for that, just lay it all out. The stonewalling was intentional and possibly illegal, he should answer for that.
  - throwaway292893 6y ago
    There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?
    - jmisavage 6y ago
      The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being over capacity. The military specifically was testing everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid because it can spread way faster in the confines of a ship.
      - throwaway292893 6y ago
        The point is those ships were under capacity the whole time. Send more non-covid patients to them, keep elderly patients in the hospitals. New York never reached full capacity overall. If you MUST send covid patients to nursing homes, make sure they are prepared with PPE. Other states did so, Cuomo and the 5 other governors should have known to do so. We already had outbreaks in a nursing home that everyone was aware of.
      - 6y ago
- encryptluks2 6y ago
  Like Newsom who gave the biggest non-apology I've seen about getting caught violating his own COVID-19 stay-at-home orders, and then said the recall against him was being orchestrated by white supremacist antisemites (nazis) which is over 1.5 million people in his own state... I'm sure Cuomo will find something similar to say.
  - clairity 6y ago
    i'm ready to impeach newsom, but polling seems to suggests it's unlikely. i'd happily sign a petition to impeach LA mayor garcetti as well, if any were organized to do so. the pandemic response here was beyond stupidly awful--a combination of what-if based fearmongering and a frenzy of unadulterated free (i.e., debt-fueled) federal money-grubbing. the whole colored tier system was a farcical distraction from real mitigations like quarantining nursing homes and their staff who'd volunteer for 24-hour hero pay and 2-week on-off cycles (long enough to recuperate and re-quarantine), and asking people to distance indoors around familiars, which is where most transmission happens, rather than around strangers or out on the street where your silly mask-wearing does less than nothing. 90% of angelenos, by my anecdotal count, still wear masks outdoors, as if it were a talisman against impending death. despite unceasing media howling, our infection rates held relatively steady for a year, until recently, when vaccinations finally started to have a real effect on those rates. none of that (double-)mask-wearing, excessive hand-sanitizing, overly restrictive retail-closing, and incessant surface-disinfecting propounded by the state/county/city did anything to mitigate spread, only modest distancing indoors and restricted interfamilial contact had much mitigative effect (and the latter could have been handled much less invasively and damagingly). i'm decidedly unamused by the stupidity of it all and ready for new leadership of any stripe other than democrat or republican.
- melling 6y ago
  I’m under the impression that people were supposed to be allowed to return to their nursing homes, from where they left. After they left the hospital they needed somewhere to go. Otherwise, they would be homeless. If nursing homes couldn’t safely take recovering patients back then people were in danger before these people left for the hospital. I also imagine there were COVID patients in the homes who didn’t need to go to a hospital
- mrandish 6y ago
  > They should have all known. Before Washington state we had the clear data from the elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results. Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and immuno-compromised. The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice to go with broad lockdowns of everyone instead of the "focused protection" plan may go down as the worst public health error of modern times. Since they were hit hard and first, Hubei Province and Northern Italy at least have the excuse of no priors. By the time NY got hit any serious analyst knew and many were recommending circling the wagons around the vulnerable. I have no idea if fault lies with Cuomo personally or someone he delegated this to, but someone in NY seriously fucked up. Hell, in Bergamo prosecutors filed charges against some city/regional administrators for negligent manslaughter (or similar).
  - pyronik19 6y ago
    Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused protection.
    - mrandish 6y ago
      Yes, Florida focused their resources on protecting their elderly population and didn't implement broad lockdowns of people who weren't sick or at-risk. Their per-capita results are better than NY, CA and many other states. Sweden also deserves credit for getting the public health policy right. They had the right plan but have admitted they could have done better in some of the early execution phase around protecting elder facilities. 7
      - splitstud 6y ago
        Tried and true method we learned over time. The leaders that were strong enough to respond properly should be congratulated. This was a gigantic shot to the foot by our public health leadership, most state and federal leaders, and fawning media. And it's not even close to over.
- dkarl 6y ago
  > The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. The opposite, I thought -- he seemed to be weathering the nursing home scandal, and now the sex scandal seems to be taking him down. Before his sexual behavior was publicized, people were joking/not joking that Andrew Cuomo was the poster child for our (Democrats') inability to hold anyone accountable for anything as long as they seemed woke and likable and said all the right things on cultural issues. Then his sexual behavior hit the news, and it was like, wow, is there anything metoo can't do? At least now Democrats nationally want him gone, though it's always harder to get a popular politician's own constituents to turn against him.
- atat7024 6y ago
  Nobody will ever be prosecuted for this, and that's less people taking what politicians see as limited funds.
1cvmask 6y ago
Perhaps this is explained by Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
- ggamecrazy 6y ago
  In retrospect I would have done the same: Force the nursing homes to accept their residents back if the residents have no other options. However, I would have throw in much more aid to the ones that were forced. Cash + PPE + National Guard. If I couldn't provide help, then I wouldn't force. That would mean that it would be up to the hospitals to figure it out and find a home for them or until they were covid-free. Obviously I'm playing backseat Covid response governor here. Hindsight is 20/20.
  - hajile 6y ago
    If you have to send residents back, you must create COVID and non-COVID facilities to ensure isolation. You also shouldn't send infected persons there just because you can.
- busterarm 6y ago
  Maybe the initial decision, but not the deliberate coverup that occurred immediately after it and since then.
mhh__ 6y ago
Who is "they"?

Fellshard 6y ago

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

throwaway292893 6y ago
We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.
- Fellshard 6y ago
  I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.
  - throwaway292893 6y ago
    The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.
    - Fellshard 6y ago
      Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.
      - jjoonathan 6y ago
        Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.

LatteLazy 6y ago

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

chasd00 6y ago
I don't know what data backs this site but you can start here and do some comparisons http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
verdverm 6y ago
Deaths per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... Cases per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covi... Attribution to lockdown or not is insufficient to determine these numbers. Mask adherence, population size, and climate are also important. Top 10 deaths per capita are dominated by New England and Southern states
- lixtra 6y ago
  You should also take into account the age structure of the states. The median of Florida is 5 years higher than California’s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_age https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...
  - verdverm 6y ago
    and yet the differ very little in their outcomes (156 v 162 in D/C) as compared to NY at 267
floxy 6y ago
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...

comodore_ 6y ago

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring leader by his own brother, a CNN mouth piece, that got state funded special treatment when he had covid. Now CNN simply refuses to report on it. The media landscape is beyond broken in this country.

nyczomg 6y ago
They gave him a fucking Emmy in November: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/21/937445923/andrew-cuomo-to-receive-international-emmy-for-masterful-covid-19-briefings https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... And he published a fucking book in October: https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-Pandemic/dp/0593239261 https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P... Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....
- comodore_ 6y ago
  yes, unreal. Also all this took place when he received a multi million dollar advance for his book "American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic", and remember this crazy thing https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-covid-poster-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-covid-p... how is any of this real?!?!
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  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    I assume anyone left watching 24 hour news channels is not very adept at critical thinking.

rangoon626 6y ago

Cuomo needs to be tried for what he did.

atat7024 6y ago
Anything specifically?
- throwaway292893 6y ago
  15,000 counts of manslaughter, plus obstruction of justice for the cover up.
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  Search #nuremburg2021 on Twitter. There is fairly robust group of people who consider reactions to covid 19 crimes against humanity and they are seeking trials against everyone involved. I personally know one of these people.

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renewiltord 6y ago

Fucking knew this guy was a fraud. The fact that any time anything was going poorly he'd pop up on TV and talk to his brother (who'd then tell him to talk to their Mom) was the giveaway. It was some straight up panem et circenses shite. People ate up that wholesome talk-to-mum shite. Fucking knew it. Then he'd periodically make some snarky anti-Trump remark to rally the troops. Very suspicious. Not like I'm upset by the remark, but if you're trying to pander to me, I start to question.

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exabrial 6y ago

Don't worry, media was complicit too.... because you know, orange man bad because reasons.

8bitsrule 6y ago

33% of all US Covid deaths have happened in nursing homes. Those 180,000+ deaths happened across the country. Some of the earliest US deaths happened in a Seattle nursing home. Some other early death clusters happened in VA hospitals. This is a public and private national disgrace, not just a Cuomo one. Cuomo didn't create our 'standards' for warehousing the elderly. We did that as a society.

willio58 6y ago
This is precisely why he should have just been honest about the numbers.