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It’s the modern day equivalent of being accused of witchcraft. You get a trial but good luck getting your reputation back. People are trained not to doubt this

It’s the modern day equivalent of being accused of witchcraft. You get a trial but good luck getting your reputation back. People are trained not to doubt this sort of thing end assume guilt, then when confronted they rattle off some supposed statistical fact that it’s virtually impossible for the accuser to be lying.

solosoyokaze 5y ago
Except there's no such thing as witchcraft but sexual harassment is very real. Victims have every right to speak up. Libel and slander laws are also real. If someone is actually making a false accusation, there's already legal ways to deal with it.
- hulahoof 5y ago
  As the parent mentioned, the problem isn't recourse it is by that stage your life is already ruined. I don't think there is a clear answer though, the only moral thing to do is to support the accuser.
  - solosoyokaze 5y ago
    I think it's exceedingly rare that there is a false accusation. Not only would the accuser face libel and slander laws, typically the supporters of the accused will put immense pressure on the accuser and also ruin their reputation. > the only moral thing to do is to support the accuser. I fully agree.
- matz1 5y ago
  >there's already legal ways to deal with it suing can cost money, time, effort, and may not able to necessarily clear your name even if you won.
UncleMeat 5y ago
What are people supposed to do then. If your friend sees somebody at the store and says “that guy is an asshole, he used to beat me up in middle school” do you respond “wait I can’t develop any opinion of that person without a trial”?
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  Of course not, but that's because I know my friend personally. If I saw someone putting up posters outside my apartment complex saying "the guy in Unit 214 is an asshole, he used to beat me up in middle school", I wouldn't spread the accusation without knowing more about what's going on.
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    Even if you had multiple other people corroborate it?
    - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
      I can't imagine a situation where I would spread an accusation against someone I don't know based on the word of other people I don't know. I'm frankly a bit confused why this is controversial - it seems like common sense to me, and nobody I know in real life has ever done this. (Of course, this is symmetric, so I wouldn't disbelieve the accusation either.)
    - tester756 5y ago
      Why would I magically trust two or three randoms when I dont trust one random?
- matz1 5y ago
  What are you going to do ? Just believe it ?
orwin 5y ago
Ok, my sister was raped by her boss, was found in her appartment three days later my father, who immediately called a lawyer (female, specialized in criminal law). She told my sister that since they were only two in the kitchen with no surveillance camera, she couldn't sue but only report (its called "main courante" in my country) and "hope" that another girl is raped before 2039 and report it. The policeman concurred, nothing to be done. I still shout "rapist owned" each time i pass his business, as do my brother and my father, my sister privately shared her story with his daughter on facebook last year (his daughter is one year younger than my sister, the creep), basically destroying their relationship, and the cooking school my sister went to directly called all female student and ex-student to tell them to avoid his restaurant. I also scraped social networks (only public data, nothing illegal) for his activities two years ago but only found business contacts. Each of them still received a nice email though. I will move back next month, so i will continue my shouting campaign harder after the pandemic end and hope his business can't survive covid. Since his restaurant will be between my place and the place i keep my boat, i'm pretty sure i can be successful. ----------- Honestly i can't say i will ever stop stalking him even if he had to sell his business. I'm thinking of sending him accusing emails on temp email accounts (scripted of course, my sister got herself back in one piece after a year and a half, and i even think she is now way stronger than she used to, i won't waste that much time for him).
- suifbwish 5y ago
  I’m sorry that happened to your family but what do you get out of doing all that. It can’t be more than some sort of satisfaction.

solosoyokaze 5y ago

Except there's no such thing as witchcraft but sexual harassment is very real. Victims have every right to speak up. Libel and slander laws are also real. If someone is actually making a false accusation, there's already legal ways to deal with it.

hulahoof 5y ago
As the parent mentioned, the problem isn't recourse it is by that stage your life is already ruined. I don't think there is a clear answer though, the only moral thing to do is to support the accuser.
- solosoyokaze 5y ago
  I think it's exceedingly rare that there is a false accusation. Not only would the accuser face libel and slander laws, typically the supporters of the accused will put immense pressure on the accuser and also ruin their reputation. > the only moral thing to do is to support the accuser. I fully agree.
matz1 5y ago
>there's already legal ways to deal with it suing can cost money, time, effort, and may not able to necessarily clear your name even if you won.

UncleMeat 5y ago

What are people supposed to do then. If your friend sees somebody at the store and says “that guy is an asshole, he used to beat me up in middle school” do you respond “wait I can’t develop any opinion of that person without a trial”?

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
Of course not, but that's because I know my friend personally. If I saw someone putting up posters outside my apartment complex saying "the guy in Unit 214 is an asshole, he used to beat me up in middle school", I wouldn't spread the accusation without knowing more about what's going on.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  Even if you had multiple other people corroborate it?
  - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
    I can't imagine a situation where I would spread an accusation against someone I don't know based on the word of other people I don't know. I'm frankly a bit confused why this is controversial - it seems like common sense to me, and nobody I know in real life has ever done this. (Of course, this is symmetric, so I wouldn't disbelieve the accusation either.)
  - tester756 5y ago
    Why would I magically trust two or three randoms when I dont trust one random?
matz1 5y ago
What are you going to do ? Just believe it ?

orwin 5y ago

Ok, my sister was raped by her boss, was found in her appartment three days later my father, who immediately called a lawyer (female, specialized in criminal law). She told my sister that since they were only two in the kitchen with no surveillance camera, she couldn't sue but only report (its called "main courante" in my country) and "hope" that another girl is raped before 2039 and report it. The policeman concurred, nothing to be done. I still shout "rapist owned" each time i pass his business, as do my brother and my father, my sister privately shared her story with his daughter on facebook last year (his daughter is one year younger than my sister, the creep), basically destroying their relationship, and the cooking school my sister went to directly called all female student and ex-student to tell them to avoid his restaurant. I also scraped social networks (only public data, nothing illegal) for his activities two years ago but only found business contacts. Each of them still received a nice email though. I will move back next month, so i will continue my shouting campaign harder after the pandemic end and hope his business can't survive covid. Since his restaurant will be between my place and the place i keep my boat, i'm pretty sure i can be successful. ----------- Honestly i can't say i will ever stop stalking him even if he had to sell his business. I'm thinking of sending him accusing emails on temp email accounts (scripted of course, my sister got herself back in one piece after a year and a half, and i even think she is now way stronger than she used to, i won't waste that much time for him).

suifbwish 5y ago
I’m sorry that happened to your family but what do you get out of doing all that. It can’t be more than some sort of satisfaction.