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The discussion is a bit all over the place. The main points are that EU failed vaccination, and US failed covid testing (Statista disagrees https://www.statist

The discussion is a bit all over the place. The main points are that EU failed vaccination, and US failed covid testing (Statista disagrees https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-...) , as well as having a decline of innovation and movement (disagrees here, people moved everywhere during covid, and US came up with tons of effective vaccines) It's pretty hilarious both ignored discussing the current failing government: China. - Came up with a 50% effective vaccine sinovac, and forces its citizens to take it - Wolf warrior politics has infuriated almost every democratic countries on Earth, and alienated China. When Merkel steps down in Sept, the Green party candidate is most likely to succeed. And the newcomer will act tough against China and Russia - Ballooning debt (they don't own global currency, unlike US), declining marriage/birth rate, middle income trap, unrest in many provinces - The CCP is so insecure that they banned broadcast of oscars because of Chloe Zhao, because she mentioned CCP as failing one time in 2013

fossuser 5y ago
> "The CCP is so insecure that they banned broadcast of oscars because of Chloe Zhao, because she mentioned CCP as failing one time in 2013" They're even here downvoting you. When they're willing to censor pooh bear there's nothing that doesn't cross that insecurity threshold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh#Censorship_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh#Censorship_in_...
- jonathannat 5y ago
  > They're even here downvoting you Nah, if I had to guess, it's some of those patriotic Mainland Chinese living in beautiful democratic countries like US and Canada.
hungryhobo 5y ago
> Came up with a 50% effective vaccine sinovac, and forces its citizens to take it is this worse than not having your own capacity to manufacture vaccine and having to beg other countries for vaccines? 50% efficacy is for transmission prevention, however when you consider effectiveness against deaths and hospitalization, it's >90% > Wolf warrior politics has infuriated almost every democratic countries on Earth, and alienated China. When Merkel steps down in Sept, the Green party candidate is most likely to succeed. And the newcomer will act tough against China and Russia oh god forbid a country standing up for its own interest. > Ballooning debt (they don't own global currency, unlike US), declining marriage/birth rate, middle income trap, unrest in many provinces something that's been touted for the past 30+ years. can we just wait until it happens? > The CCP is so insecure that they banned broadcast of oscars because of Chloe Zhao, because she mentioned CCP as failing one time in 2013 funny that indian government asked twitter to remove anything critical of its handling over COVID, with 350k daily cases, but they are democratic so they get a pass. no this isn't whataboutism, this is pointing out the double standard.
- gtyras2mrs 5y ago
  > funny that indian government asked twitter to remove anything critical of its handling over COVID, with 350k daily cases, but they are democratic so they get a pass. no this isn't whataboutism, this is pointing out the double standard. a. as the other comment pointed out - they aren't getting a pass on this. b. Multiple news agencies reporting on failures of the government's response to the second wave of COVID (and as usual the government is reacting by clamping down on the louder voices - as they did with the farmer protests) c. the religious nationalism that embodies the current right-wing government of India has been a subject of op-eds for the past couple of years (not criticised loudly enough IMO)
- nradov 5y ago
  The Indian government hasn't gotten a pass, they are being widely criticized in international news and social media. But there are significant difference in degree. China clearly is far worse on censorship and punishes dissent more harshly.
MomoXenosaga 5y ago
People have been predicting China's government to fail since 1948. If Mao couldn't do it with his disastrous communist nonsense it's going to take a lot. The CCP has cleverly pivoted to Chinese nationalism (the wolf warrior diplomacy is for internal consumption). I think it would be best to have a backup plan for what happens if China doesn't implode.
imtringued 5y ago
> Ballooning debt What does the debt buy them? If it buys them increased growth why even care? Assuming you can grow forever, you can get into infinite debt.

fossuser 5y ago

> "The CCP is so insecure that they banned broadcast of oscars because of Chloe Zhao, because she mentioned CCP as failing one time in 2013" They're even here downvoting you. When they're willing to censor pooh bear there's nothing that doesn't cross that insecurity threshold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh#Censorship_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh#Censorship_in_...

jonathannat 5y ago
> They're even here downvoting you Nah, if I had to guess, it's some of those patriotic Mainland Chinese living in beautiful democratic countries like US and Canada.

hungryhobo 5y ago

> Came up with a 50% effective vaccine sinovac, and forces its citizens to take it is this worse than not having your own capacity to manufacture vaccine and having to beg other countries for vaccines? 50% efficacy is for transmission prevention, however when you consider effectiveness against deaths and hospitalization, it's >90% > Wolf warrior politics has infuriated almost every democratic countries on Earth, and alienated China. When Merkel steps down in Sept, the Green party candidate is most likely to succeed. And the newcomer will act tough against China and Russia oh god forbid a country standing up for its own interest. > Ballooning debt (they don't own global currency, unlike US), declining marriage/birth rate, middle income trap, unrest in many provinces something that's been touted for the past 30+ years. can we just wait until it happens? > The CCP is so insecure that they banned broadcast of oscars because of Chloe Zhao, because she mentioned CCP as failing one time in 2013 funny that indian government asked twitter to remove anything critical of its handling over COVID, with 350k daily cases, but they are democratic so they get a pass. no this isn't whataboutism, this is pointing out the double standard.

gtyras2mrs 5y ago
> funny that indian government asked twitter to remove anything critical of its handling over COVID, with 350k daily cases, but they are democratic so they get a pass. no this isn't whataboutism, this is pointing out the double standard. a. as the other comment pointed out - they aren't getting a pass on this. b. Multiple news agencies reporting on failures of the government's response to the second wave of COVID (and as usual the government is reacting by clamping down on the louder voices - as they did with the farmer protests) c. the religious nationalism that embodies the current right-wing government of India has been a subject of op-eds for the past couple of years (not criticised loudly enough IMO)
nradov 5y ago
The Indian government hasn't gotten a pass, they are being widely criticized in international news and social media. But there are significant difference in degree. China clearly is far worse on censorship and punishes dissent more harshly.

MomoXenosaga 5y ago

People have been predicting China's government to fail since 1948. If Mao couldn't do it with his disastrous communist nonsense it's going to take a lot. The CCP has cleverly pivoted to Chinese nationalism (the wolf warrior diplomacy is for internal consumption). I think it would be best to have a backup plan for what happens if China doesn't implode.

imtringued 5y ago

> Ballooning debt What does the debt buy them? If it buys them increased growth why even care? Assuming you can grow forever, you can get into infinite debt.