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I’m sure the Tesla crowd will jump in to say this is driver error Did I read the parent post incorrectly? There was no driver in the seat.

shawabawa3 6y ago
They might have been using the orange hack to make Tesla think someone was driving (orange wedged in the steering wheel causes enough weight/pressure for the sensor to think it's a hand)
jgwil2 6y ago
That would be the error. You're supposed to be seated in the driver's seat and alert.
gugagore 6y ago
Suppose they had survived and killed someone else. I think the law would find at least one of them to be the driver. That's the notion of driver that is meant by "driver error". e.g. the person who started the car.
FireBeyond 6y ago
It's a little awkward when as of today (and has been for years), Tesla on its website has wording around FSD saying "The driver is only in the seat for legal purposes. The vehicle doesn't require it."
- totalZero 6y ago
  "The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions."[0] "Currently neither Autopilot nor FSD Capability is an autonomous system, and currently no comprising feature, whether singularly or collectively, is autonomous or makes our vehicles autonomous"[1] [0] https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot [1] p30 of https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-tesla-robotaxi--fsd-emails/ https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-te...
- jiofih 6y ago
  That text is for a technology demo of full self-driving, not for the production car. Every sales page related to autopilot has visible warnings regarding driver attention and do not suggest you can sit on the backseat in any form...

shawabawa3 6y ago

They might have been using the orange hack to make Tesla think someone was driving (orange wedged in the steering wheel causes enough weight/pressure for the sensor to think it's a hand)

jgwil2 6y ago

That would be the error. You're supposed to be seated in the driver's seat and alert.

gugagore 6y ago

Suppose they had survived and killed someone else. I think the law would find at least one of them to be the driver. That's the notion of driver that is meant by "driver error". e.g. the person who started the car.

FireBeyond 6y ago

It's a little awkward when as of today (and has been for years), Tesla on its website has wording around FSD saying "The driver is only in the seat for legal purposes. The vehicle doesn't require it."

totalZero 6y ago
"The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions."[0] "Currently neither Autopilot nor FSD Capability is an autonomous system, and currently no comprising feature, whether singularly or collectively, is autonomous or makes our vehicles autonomous"[1] [0] https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot [1] p30 of https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-tesla-robotaxi--fsd-emails/ https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-te...
jiofih 6y ago
That text is for a technology demo of full self-driving, not for the production car. Every sales page related to autopilot has visible warnings regarding driver attention and do not suggest you can sit on the backseat in any form...