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Our plans for PeerTube v4
- Deukhoofd 6y agoNot as sexy as the v3 roadmap, but good to see them iterating and improving on what's already there!
- throwawaysea 6y agoIs there a way to fund (donate) development?
- Jhsto 6y agoThe donate button on the front page takes you here: https://framasoft.org/en/#soutenir https://framasoft.org/en/#soutenir
- haolez 6y agoRandom idea: we could create a .tube domain to disseminate the idea that YouTube doesn't need to be the only video platform around.
- wizzwizz4 6y agohttps://wiki.opennic.org/opennic/creating_new_tlds https://wiki.opennic.org/opennic/creating_new_tlds
- edrxty 6y agoCreate it and before opening it publicly, squat you.tube and make it randomly redirect to any other registered domain.
- judge2020 6y agoWould probably violate trademark law and icann would make you give it up. I guess if you go opennic or use a different alternative root they might not care about court-ordered domain forfeitures.
- drvdevd 6y agoYouTube using you.tube would lend credence to the rest of the .tube TLD actually.
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- analyte123 6y agoThis already exists, e.g. invidious.tube (YouTube proxy instance) or wago.tube (PeerTube instance).
- marcodiego 6y agoCouple this news with this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977 . We need not only decentralization and "openness". We need independence. People should be held accountable by lies and defamation they eventually spread but the possibility of publishing information or "personal media" should not be arbitrarily controlled by any government, company or market. Edit: replaced "Punishment for crimes like hate speech should be enforced" by "People should be held accountable by lies and defamation they eventually spread"
- blasphemer1234 6y agoExplain how hate speech laws are different from blasphemy laws and why they should be enforced but blasphemy shouldn't be illegal. I'll wait.
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- seriousquestion 6y ago> Punishment for crimes like hate speech should be enforced > "personal media" should not be arbitrarily controlled This threw an exception, because "hate speech" is an arbitrary type. It has no objective definition. It is defined by whoever happens to be defining it.
- adkadskhj 6y agoNot that i agree with the GP comment, but isn't that exactly the point of courts? Eg death threats and all sorts of illegal wording are inaccurate in the literal, programming sense. Humans (courts/etc) interpret and ultimately rule if a set of vague concepts is in violation. If it wasn't for this capability it would be hilariously easy to avoid almost all repercussion from written/spoken word by just adding a dash of vagueness to the subject. Throw in a pinch of speaking in code and you'll never be charged for any crime, yay! I loosely agree with you, but lets not pretend that english is even remotely as well defined as a programming language in all cases.
- Jukg7e3AFyskdj 6y agoA similar project https://github.com/VeemsHQ/veems https://github.com/VeemsHQ/veems
- remirk 6y agoThat project doesn't do federation, according to the issue tracker. Federation is the thing that makes PeerTube so special.
- riffic 6y agothe ActivityPub protocol is PeerTube's special sauce, allowing interoperability with many other projects in the ecosystem. https://github.com/BasixKOR/awesome-activitypub#services https://github.com/BasixKOR/awesome-activitypub#services edit: a comment about PeerTube itself, be sure to check out probably its most interesting installation (TILvids), by which interesting means you'll be watching a lot of their content for the edutainment: https://tilvids.com/ https://tilvids.com/
- rosmax_1337 6y agoI am very hopeful for Peertube and their project, since I'm currently partaking in hosting a large video website for otherwise content too controversial for mainstream platforms like Youtube. (Political content if you were wondering, but I won't indulge what kind) This takes back control to creators in such a way that essentially only domain registrars will be able to dictate what content may stay alive on the internet. (And naturally that each to their own get to federate to their own liking) At the moment domain registrars have been staying on what is IMO the correct stance of content allowance, requiring more or less police warrants to take down content. In fact I'm hopeful enough for this project that I've considered spending some time to get stuck in the development enough that I could even contribute pull requests or helpful issues to the tracker. I would like to see a world instead where all channels on Youtube were their own "Peertubes" instead. Youtube/Google have really let consumers and creators down as it is right now, which in a way is natural, since they only really have allegiance to their sponsors and advertisers.
- ralusek 6y ago> I won't indulge what kind There's only one kind considered too controversial for mainstream.
- JeremyBanks 6y agoCoordination of armed insurrection against the United States? Accusations of Democratic pedophile rings to distract from the known Republican pedophiles in Congress? Lies about the election rigging to justify overtly racist voter suppression?
- ralusek 6y agoDepends on who's doing it. > Coordination of armed insurrection against the United States? Coordinating burning down Minneapolis police station is okay. Bombing Portland Federal Courthouse is okay. I'm afraid you haven't quite captured it yet, but close. > Lies about the election rigging to justify overtly racist voter suppression? No, speaking for 4 years about Russian collusion rigging the election was allowed on mainstream platforms. I'm afraid you'll still need to be more specific.
- gaws 6y agoQuestion to PeerTube: What are you doing to curb the ever-growing number of white supremacists using your platform?
- argvargc 6y agoI read this kind of complaint, but frequent most of the services concerned and have never seen a single white-supremacist. I see open discourse much the same as HN. The few times I've visited any of the 'chans however, it's been quite different - but curiously I don't see the same people making these complaints mentioning them.
- anoncake 6y agoI would like to ask the same question to Email.
- gaws 6y agoElaborate.
- anoncake 6y agoQuestion to Email: What are you doing to curb the ever-growing number of white supremacists using your platform?
- gaws 6y agoYour initial response was confusing. You should've just said: "Email them your question," or something to that extent. Regardless, I get what you mean.
- ripdog 6y agoI think you got it wrong :) He means that the same criticisms of white supremacists using a platform could be leveled at the protocol of email.
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- d0100 6y agoIn all decentralized solutions I've seen, they always seem to effectively become roundabout centralized solutions. No matter how "decentralized" something is, cost is the great centralizer: you can always be excluded either by the cost of running your decentralized hub or by network effects of being blacklisted in free "decentralized" centralized servers I think that the real decentralized solutions can only happen when the cost of "I'm going to build my own with blackjack and hookers" is free or at least until the price is embedable into "usual" costs, like if your phone could become your decentralized, always-available hub
- raarts 6y agoSo, 10 -20 years. Prices will have come down enough for every household to host ALL their own data in their router. And offer interested parties API access. And host distributed social platforms.
- Mediterraneo10 6y agoRunning a server from your home violates the terms of service of many ISPs (they want you to upgrade to a more expensive business plan for that). I’m not sure that is going to change in 10–20 years. Nor do I think router storage space is going to get significantly larger in the next decade, at least not in terms of being able to host large videos.
- hansel_der 6y agohaving been on this line of thinking for the last two decades and not seeing it happen, i'm not optimistic it ever will. one could easily have ~10TB of storage connected to the router for about the yearly cost of the connection itself, but only a small minority does.
- analyte123 6y agoI enjoyed the "managing expectations" section here. It reminded me that even as an average programmer contributing to the project directly (via PRs, triaging, or just testing / running an instance) is going to be more valuable than donating $10 or whatever to a project like this.
- IshKebab 6y agoCan someone explain the point of federating PeerTube. Their site doesn't really explain it, and it seems like you still need to create an account on every instance you want to use (if you want to comment on/rate videos). How is it different from lots of independent sites, with RSS feeds for each channel?
- amelius 6y agoWhat I don't understand is why they don't broaden the scope and work more like IPFS, with a thin shell for displaying video data.
- gloriousternary 6y agoIsn't that more or less the idea behind LBRY?
- rijoja 6y agoYeah I think so. Instinctively I do believe that this would be the most natural development. However I thought that federated social networks where kind of cool so maybe this is a better idea. I do believe I tried to sign up for LBRY but I don't know if it really took up. Might it be that LBRY simply doesn't scale or that there is some network effect that causes it not to work unless there are some specific conditions.
- dazaidesu 6y agonope lbry uses their own custom torrent-like protocol on top of their own fork of bitcoin with their own weird python lbry daemon which communicates with a javascript frontend which is pretty much completely centralized in the browser version. Even the desktop version relies on centralized features like comments system.
- rakoo 6y agoWhat would IPFS solve that is still a problem today? The only disadvantage of bittorrent is that it doesn't handle mutable content, but 1) videos never change and 2) any mutation of content implies a fixed identity, and that is what Peertube is here for. The biggest problem to solve is diacoverability, a thin shell is not enough if you want to solve the general problem
- google234123 6y agoThe choice to maintain 80 projects and not grow beyond 10 employees is puzzling to me. Those two decisions seem antithetical to each other. 80 projects is too many regardless
- aftbit 6y agoWow only one developer working on PeerTube and not even full time. No way will that level of effort be able to challenge any of the incumbents.
- remram 6y agoHow many people work on YouTube, Vimeo, ... the platforms themselves, as opposed to promotion, monetization algorithms, marketing, etc? PeerTube actually works really well, and as long as communities come together to help with support/promotion/... I don't see why it couldn't "challenge any of the incumbents" even with only one developer on staff.
- TulliusCicero 6y agoAt Youtube, there's gotta be hundreds of engineers.
- ccn0p 6y agohundreds? try thousands.
- TulliusCicero 6y agoThey excluded some types of engineers in their categorization.
- fallat 6y agoIt isn't about challenging anything. It's about a libre alternative. Does the apple challenge the orange? They are both fruits!
- varispeed 6y agoHow this platform is going to work with the coming content filters and link tax in the EU?
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- rijoja 6y agoWould it be possible to set up some form of CDN. I.e. a service where you could submit torrent links so that "peertubers" could pool their resources somehow, or if you would like to support certain user by making sure that they get the bandwidth? So I am thinking of nodes that wouldn't actually host the websites but rather only would accept bittorrent URIs and then seeding them. To make sure that the ecosystem doesn't fail. What would the economics behind this look like? So in short what server providers provide the best deal for just bandwidth. I suppose that this mostly would require bandwidth. The second priority would be storage space of course. So what seems to be a potential problem with peertube is that if you put up a node and then if you get popular you might run into a bandwidth cap with your VPS. The average user probably wouldn't be interested or have the know how to do this, but I believe it would suffice that if there is a certain percentage of people who have interest in keeping peertube online it might be doable.
- imglorp 6y agoD.tube is backed by IPFS which is similar to an ephemeral CDN in this context.
- rijoja 6y agoAh really I didn't know that.
- ar0 6y agoPeerTube itself does support “video redundancy”, which allows your instance to mirror popular content from other servers, serving as a sort of CDN: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin-following-instances?id=instances-redundancy https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin-following-instances?id=i...
- rijoja 6y agoAll right so it seems that a precondition for peertube taking of would be that a lot of people setting up servers for video redundancy?
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- mjgs 6y agoIt’s great this project is still going. Here’s hoping it will gain in popularity like VLC. French open seems strong, especially for video.
- koreanguy 6y agoPeertube is hard to install, Documentation is very long
- xrd 6y agoI was excited about seeing an alternative to YouTube. I'm getting more and more worried about the content YouTube shows to my kids. But I was so disappointed in the various peers i went to and the content there. Surely there is good content that doesn't rely on monetizing it as YouTube does. I realize getting kids' content is going to take effort that requires funding somehow, but why aren't there good technical discussions posted on PeerTube? It seems like a great place for controversial opinions about tech, even if that isn't banned on YouTube.
- throwaway39912 6y agoThis instance seems alright [1]. The 'about' page says it's run by a single person for their own kids. [1] https://peerkids.com/ https://peerkids.com/ Also try PBS Kids: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS_Kids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS_Kids https://www.youtube.com/c/PBSKIDS/playlists https://www.youtube.com/c/PBSKIDS/playlists You could use youtube-dl to curate content: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
- xrd 6y agoThis is amazing. Thank you.
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- jaimex2 6y agoDebrid services integration would make this really compelling.
- Iv 6y agoIs there a good search engine for peertube content? I feel that's the big problem now. Browsing random instances, I found a lot of (bad) porn, some anarchist concerts, tech tutorials in languages I did not know. I made a search for "music" in sepiasearch.org, assuming this should be broad enough to get something interesting. The top result has 9 views. I can filter by "popular". Look, I understand that Youtube's recommendation algorithm is problematic, but I need a way to find relevant content. "Sort by views" should at least be an option. It almost makes me want to build a crawler and search engine for these.
- Risse 6y agoI made a search engine for public Peertube videos: https://peertube-search.com/ https://peertube-search.com/
- anoa_ 6y agoThere's an official search engine here: https://sepiasearch.org https://sepiasearch.org. At least it's what's used when using the search bar on https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org.
- arjunkava 6y agoPeerTube is something which can change the fundamentals of media communication itself. Loved the project.