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Can I get a card that says I already had it and I am good to go? I even have the time off work to prove it! I am involved in a study that is measuring antibodie

Can I get a card that says I already had it and I am good to go? I even have the time off work to prove it! I am involved in a study that is measuring antibodies and 6 months later my antibodies are still really high.

snissn 6y ago
I’m in your situation but I got the Pfizer vaccine anyway. I think it made me feel good (look up long haul vaccine improvement) even though I didn’t feel like I still had symptoms. Cheers
- krona 6y ago
  I took a placebo and feel great!
  - sa1 6y ago
    Nothing wrong with taking a placebo. It works even when you know you’re taking one.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - the_local_host 6y ago
      It would be interesting to study whether placebos stop working if you forget to take them.
      - camjohnson26 6y ago
        Schroedinger’s placebo
      - bluGill 6y ago
        They do. People who take their placebos do better than those who don't .
    - gumby 6y ago
      Side effects can be a problem.
  - ianlevesque 6y ago
    It’s a really small survey so far but roughly 2/3 of covid long haulers saw improvement after vaccination. 1/3 didn’t. I’m curious what actual, rigorous, studies will show later of course.
    - bpodgursky 6y ago
      That study raised some... questions... because many of the self-proclaimed "long haulers" had never tested positive for COVID. Which is of course possible, but it also raises the specter that "long-haul COVID" is really a mask for (understandable) psychological stress and depression which not-coincidentally coincided with pandemic and lockdowns.
      - nostrebored 6y ago
        You won't see much clash on this comment because the evidence for long covid is poor. Incidence rates mirror hypochondria rates and symptoms are explainable by things like vitamin D deficiency and depression.
        ianlevesque 6y ago
        At any rate the CDC mentions they have multiple multi-year studies underway so we won’t have to guess. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects....
        fsiefken 6y ago
        This study shows long-COVID-19 is real. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776560 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... What evidence do you have these are caused by vitamin-D deficiency? What are the incidence rates and how is it the cause?
        jokethrowaway 6y ago
        The most commonly reported symptom was fatigue. Chronic fatigue syndrome is treated primarily with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. It's absolutely compatible with mental illness, especially considering that our governments just locked up everyone for more than a year.
pwned1 6y ago
When you travel outside the US and are coming back you either need to have a Covid test within three days of return or show proof that you already had it. So yes, you can get documentation from your doctor that you already had it.
neither_color 6y ago
I'd prefer to live in a world where I'm presumed healthy until proven infected/toxic/contagious. I'd rather not to see yours or anyone else's card.
- noahtallen 6y ago
  The unfortunate downside of your approach which has proven to be so deadly for us with COVID is when you’re spreading it without symptoms for many days. If our goal as a society is to ensure most people stay healthy and alive, perhaps yours is not a good approach in all cases.
  - ghostwriter 6y ago
    > If our goal as a society is to ensure most people stay healthy and alive, perhaps yours is not a good approach in all cases. Most people are not under a risk, it has 99% survival rate
    - gopalv 6y ago
      > Most people are not under a risk, it has 99% survival rate In my circle, there's a friend who has lost his sense of taste and is immensely depressed about losing the ability to tell the difference between steak and spam. He can still taste sriracha, but he is nearly suicidal from this (partly regret for taking risky decisions). Survival isn't the only measure of impact.
      - ghostwriter 6y ago
        > He can still taste sriracha, but he is nearly suicidal from this (partly regret for taking risky decisions). if survival isn't the only measure, then the same principle could be applied to suicidal feelings of so-called "non-essential" business owners who lost their livelihoods and years of savings during the lockdowns. One could argue that a sense of taste isn't "essential" either.
      - jokethrowaway 6y ago
refurb 6y ago
Nope. Because you might get a variant you’re not immune to. Even those vaccinated that may happen to. Not to mention people who develop an immune response but not one robust enough to stop another infection. If folks think getting Covid or the vaccine is the end of things will be surprised. This isn’t going away in the next 3-4 years.
johbjo 6y ago
There seems to be the intention to lower incentives to be infected, and to raise incentives to get vaccinated. Therefore, the party line seems to be to dismiss natural immunity. I think the talking points will change once all 50+ people in the west are vaccinated.

snissn 6y ago

I’m in your situation but I got the Pfizer vaccine anyway. I think it made me feel good (look up long haul vaccine improvement) even though I didn’t feel like I still had symptoms. Cheers

krona 6y ago
I took a placebo and feel great!
- sa1 6y ago
  Nothing wrong with taking a placebo. It works even when you know you’re taking one.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - the_local_host 6y ago
    It would be interesting to study whether placebos stop working if you forget to take them.
    - camjohnson26 6y ago
      Schroedinger’s placebo
    - bluGill 6y ago
      They do. People who take their placebos do better than those who don't .
  - gumby 6y ago
    Side effects can be a problem.
- ianlevesque 6y ago
  It’s a really small survey so far but roughly 2/3 of covid long haulers saw improvement after vaccination. 1/3 didn’t. I’m curious what actual, rigorous, studies will show later of course.
  - bpodgursky 6y ago
    That study raised some... questions... because many of the self-proclaimed "long haulers" had never tested positive for COVID. Which is of course possible, but it also raises the specter that "long-haul COVID" is really a mask for (understandable) psychological stress and depression which not-coincidentally coincided with pandemic and lockdowns.
    - nostrebored 6y ago
      You won't see much clash on this comment because the evidence for long covid is poor. Incidence rates mirror hypochondria rates and symptoms are explainable by things like vitamin D deficiency and depression.
      - ianlevesque 6y ago
        At any rate the CDC mentions they have multiple multi-year studies underway so we won’t have to guess. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects....
      - fsiefken 6y ago
        This study shows long-COVID-19 is real. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776560 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... What evidence do you have these are caused by vitamin-D deficiency? What are the incidence rates and how is it the cause?
        jokethrowaway 6y ago
        The most commonly reported symptom was fatigue. Chronic fatigue syndrome is treated primarily with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. It's absolutely compatible with mental illness, especially considering that our governments just locked up everyone for more than a year.

pwned1 6y ago

When you travel outside the US and are coming back you either need to have a Covid test within three days of return or show proof that you already had it. So yes, you can get documentation from your doctor that you already had it.

neither_color 6y ago

I'd prefer to live in a world where I'm presumed healthy until proven infected/toxic/contagious. I'd rather not to see yours or anyone else's card.

noahtallen 6y ago
The unfortunate downside of your approach which has proven to be so deadly for us with COVID is when you’re spreading it without symptoms for many days. If our goal as a society is to ensure most people stay healthy and alive, perhaps yours is not a good approach in all cases.
- ghostwriter 6y ago
  > If our goal as a society is to ensure most people stay healthy and alive, perhaps yours is not a good approach in all cases. Most people are not under a risk, it has 99% survival rate
  - gopalv 6y ago
    > Most people are not under a risk, it has 99% survival rate In my circle, there's a friend who has lost his sense of taste and is immensely depressed about losing the ability to tell the difference between steak and spam. He can still taste sriracha, but he is nearly suicidal from this (partly regret for taking risky decisions). Survival isn't the only measure of impact.
    - ghostwriter 6y ago
      > He can still taste sriracha, but he is nearly suicidal from this (partly regret for taking risky decisions). if survival isn't the only measure, then the same principle could be applied to suicidal feelings of so-called "non-essential" business owners who lost their livelihoods and years of savings during the lockdowns. One could argue that a sense of taste isn't "essential" either.
    - jokethrowaway 6y ago

refurb 6y ago

Nope. Because you might get a variant you’re not immune to. Even those vaccinated that may happen to. Not to mention people who develop an immune response but not one robust enough to stop another infection. If folks think getting Covid or the vaccine is the end of things will be surprised. This isn’t going away in the next 3-4 years.

johbjo 6y ago

There seems to be the intention to lower incentives to be infected, and to raise incentives to get vaccinated. Therefore, the party line seems to be to dismiss natural immunity. I think the talking points will change once all 50+ people in the west are vaccinated.