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The effect of the Cold War extended over much of Europe. I grew up in a small town in the north of Scotland which had an airport that could support Vulcan bombe

The effect of the Cold War extended over much of Europe. I grew up in a small town in the north of Scotland which had an airport that could support Vulcan bombers. There was the widespread feeling we were on the list of places that would get nuked if hostilities broke out with the Soviet Union.

hef19898 6y ago
I grew up next to an US listening post, NSA back then and German BND for a couple of years now. Same thing! That lakes one wonder how many such places exist on the other side of what used to be the iron curtain.
hollerith 6y ago
It wasn't just a feeling. I live less than 8 miles from a major oil refinery in the US, and that fact is always in the back of my mind. I would much prefer to live at least 15 miles from anything worth nuking. (I do not consider the end of the Cold War to have been the end of the risk of nuclear war.)
mgarfias 6y ago
In the mid 80s as a kid, I lived in Mountain View ca. A few miles from the Air Force satellite tracking station and moffet field. We knew we were getting a nuke if things went south.
kasey_junk 6y ago
To be fair I go for walks in the park in a Chicago neighborhood that used to house nuclear rocket launch sites. This is near the lake in a really nice park. The Cold War was weird that way. And as someone who was still in school near the tail end of it, I’d say I’m not really worried about a large scale invasion because I always presumed I’d die very early in either a first strike or second strike scenario. I’d love to know what scenarios the French military think are likely that don’t involve large scale nuclear weapon deployments.
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  Estonia or Finland getting "liberated" by totally not Russian army?
  - hef19898 6y ago
    I think nobody will go nuclear over Ukraine or Syria. At least not intentionally. That might be different for NATO members, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan the Himalayas (India, China and Pakistan are nuclear powers). But before that, you have a conventional warfare phase. Being decisive enough could be a scenario in which the other side prefers to fight another day instead of using nukes. At least worth war games and maneuvers. Especially when you want to send a message to the Russians. Putin seems to be testing the waters with Nato and the west, as is China. Putin got away with a lot lately. He is smart, so I just hope that doesn't overplay his hand. Because this kind of stuff can easily escalate. And today we aren't at our toes anymore the same way we were during the cold war, being aware of the risk goves pause sometimes.
    - lacogubik 6y ago
      I think you are overestimating Putin's abilities. I'm not sure it was such a smart move with the war in the Ukraine. Ukraine used to be divided in perception of Russia and it never had strong national identity. Eastern half of country was very pro-Russian. People spoke Russian, watched Russian tv and longed for Soviet times. Now it is very different, see [0] on how perception has changed and lot more people identify as Ukrainian. Side effect of the war in the east of Ukraine is that their defense budget more than tripled and its army is much more experienced and bigger than before. Lost their hearts and made them much better in defending themselves in the process. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations#In_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations#In_Uk...

hef19898 6y ago

I grew up next to an US listening post, NSA back then and German BND for a couple of years now. Same thing! That lakes one wonder how many such places exist on the other side of what used to be the iron curtain.

hollerith 6y ago

It wasn't just a feeling. I live less than 8 miles from a major oil refinery in the US, and that fact is always in the back of my mind. I would much prefer to live at least 15 miles from anything worth nuking. (I do not consider the end of the Cold War to have been the end of the risk of nuclear war.)

mgarfias 6y ago

In the mid 80s as a kid, I lived in Mountain View ca. A few miles from the Air Force satellite tracking station and moffet field. We knew we were getting a nuke if things went south.

kasey_junk 6y ago

To be fair I go for walks in the park in a Chicago neighborhood that used to house nuclear rocket launch sites. This is near the lake in a really nice park. The Cold War was weird that way. And as someone who was still in school near the tail end of it, I’d say I’m not really worried about a large scale invasion because I always presumed I’d die very early in either a first strike or second strike scenario. I’d love to know what scenarios the French military think are likely that don’t involve large scale nuclear weapon deployments.

matkoniecz 6y ago
Estonia or Finland getting "liberated" by totally not Russian army?
- hef19898 6y ago
  I think nobody will go nuclear over Ukraine or Syria. At least not intentionally. That might be different for NATO members, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan the Himalayas (India, China and Pakistan are nuclear powers). But before that, you have a conventional warfare phase. Being decisive enough could be a scenario in which the other side prefers to fight another day instead of using nukes. At least worth war games and maneuvers. Especially when you want to send a message to the Russians. Putin seems to be testing the waters with Nato and the west, as is China. Putin got away with a lot lately. He is smart, so I just hope that doesn't overplay his hand. Because this kind of stuff can easily escalate. And today we aren't at our toes anymore the same way we were during the cold war, being aware of the risk goves pause sometimes.
  - lacogubik 6y ago
    I think you are overestimating Putin's abilities. I'm not sure it was such a smart move with the war in the Ukraine. Ukraine used to be divided in perception of Russia and it never had strong national identity. Eastern half of country was very pro-Russian. People spoke Russian, watched Russian tv and longed for Soviet times. Now it is very different, see [0] on how perception has changed and lot more people identify as Ukrainian. Side effect of the war in the east of Ukraine is that their defense budget more than tripled and its army is much more experienced and bigger than before. Lost their hearts and made them much better in defending themselves in the process. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations#In_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations#In_Uk...