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Spain and its empty 3.5M houses send you regards. https://www.thelocal.es/20140225/spain-worst-in-europe-for-empty-properties/ https://www.thelocal.es/20140225

by kuu 6y ago

Spain and its empty 3.5M houses send you regards. https://www.thelocal.es/20140225/spain-worst-in-europe-for-empty-properties/ https://www.thelocal.es/20140225/spain-worst-in-europe-for-e...

Arkhaine_kupo 6y ago
The price of those houses should be 10% of what it is, but the problem is banks own them and if they reduce the price then their numbers look red. They are artificially inflated housing prices to keep bank bonds from plummeting.
- agustif 6y ago
  So how do you fix this shit? We're basically fucked. It's not like our government will get EU's permission to let the banks fail or something...
  - krageon 6y ago
    > So how do you fix this shit The banks in question are essentially in agreement about prices and work together to keep them inflated. That's essentially cartel formation and needs to be prosecuted. From a social standpoint, denying folks a roof over their head just because you want some numbers on a paper to look good should already mean that everyone ostracizes you. It's unquestionably evil.
    - agustif 6y ago
      I don't think our judiciary arm, which is supposedly independent from our government, but reality is much more messy than that, will do anything about this shit. Revolving doors... and all. Maybe change could be enacted on the local government level which is the power more easily sizeable by real people and not political drones, in order to hijack current zoning laws which as far as I know are heavily concentrated down to local adminstrations like -ayuntamientos-, which in itself seems to be what's making things more complicated as corruption is harder to spot there, even if it's more obviously done than at higher levels... Anyways... Maybe a return to the ghost villages once a job is not easily found in a city but online, but remote seems hard to implement here locally on a culture level at least until a couple generations of older folks retire from management, where one could get cheap land and construct with fairly advanced and economically minded new construction processes, like 3d printing homes or whatever, maybe... But at the end of the day, we're still fucked, paying high rents for small jails in highly contaminated city centres... One can only dream to retire on the countryside for now.

by kuu 6y ago

Spain and its empty 3.5M houses send you regards. https://www.thelocal.es/20140225/spain-worst-in-europe-for-empty-properties/ https://www.thelocal.es/20140225/spain-worst-in-europe-for-e...

Arkhaine_kupo 6y ago

The price of those houses should be 10% of what it is, but the problem is banks own them and if they reduce the price then their numbers look red. They are artificially inflated housing prices to keep bank bonds from plummeting.

agustif 6y ago
So how do you fix this shit? We're basically fucked. It's not like our government will get EU's permission to let the banks fail or something...
- krageon 6y ago
  > So how do you fix this shit The banks in question are essentially in agreement about prices and work together to keep them inflated. That's essentially cartel formation and needs to be prosecuted. From a social standpoint, denying folks a roof over their head just because you want some numbers on a paper to look good should already mean that everyone ostracizes you. It's unquestionably evil.
  - agustif 6y ago
    I don't think our judiciary arm, which is supposedly independent from our government, but reality is much more messy than that, will do anything about this shit. Revolving doors... and all. Maybe change could be enacted on the local government level which is the power more easily sizeable by real people and not political drones, in order to hijack current zoning laws which as far as I know are heavily concentrated down to local adminstrations like -ayuntamientos-, which in itself seems to be what's making things more complicated as corruption is harder to spot there, even if it's more obviously done than at higher levels... Anyways... Maybe a return to the ghost villages once a job is not easily found in a city but online, but remote seems hard to implement here locally on a culture level at least until a couple generations of older folks retire from management, where one could get cheap land and construct with fairly advanced and economically minded new construction processes, like 3d printing homes or whatever, maybe... But at the end of the day, we're still fucked, paying high rents for small jails in highly contaminated city centres... One can only dream to retire on the countryside for now.