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If we know someone is going to commit a crime like this, shouldn't we just go talk to them and say, "hey, I know you are frustrated, I have scheduled some time

If we know someone is going to commit a crime like this, shouldn't we just go talk to them and say, "hey, I know you are frustrated, I have scheduled some time with someone to talk about it" A thousand years from now I sure hope we aren't setting up dumb traps for the people that need help.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
I'm reposting a quote from our guy "But even if I only have a handful of fellow patriots standing beside me, I will happily die a young man knowing that I didn’t allow the evils in this world to continue unjustly treating my fellow Americans so disrespectfully." There are many, many heads in the US, experiencing the same sort of concerns that this guy did. With whom should we have conversations and how should those conversations go?
- shard972 6y ago
  nah they are probs racist
- h0l0cube 6y ago
  > There are many, many heads in the US, experiencing the same sort of concerns that this guy did. With whom should we have conversations and how should those conversations go? All of them. And not just via government, or the non-existent mental health authorities, but neighbours, acquaintances, and passers-by. Increase social welfare spending, sure, but also, people should be kinder, more empathetic, and look out for one-another. This could be as simple as striking up conversations with strangers, or people outside our wealth bubble. It could mean volunteering for a charity. We're all complicit in the propagation of bad ideas, and the decline in community, and we can't always lean on systems to fix it for us.
  - goodlinks 6y ago
    Agree so much! having billions of individual intelligences running around with the ability to kill each other is actually hard to manage. Change management is what makes organisations work, great processes or systems are just a bonus.
    - h0l0cube 6y ago
      Blaming has a lower activation energy than changing, which is our critical flaw.
jvanderbot 6y ago
That's a big if. We can punish, prevent through vigilance, and intervene when possible, it's not zero sum. Ideally a conspiracy charge and some reformation would help the guy see the error of his ways and be a vocal proponent of mental health services. That's the goal of all "re-education" programs though, and we're a little culturally opposed to that.
staticman2 6y ago
I like your idea because it's utopian, and I like the idea of striving for utopia, but in the real world therapists aren't gods and aren't mind readers and can't actually stop someone from killing other people, so it isn't really clear what the "success rate" of your solution might be.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  On the other hand, imprisoning people, which is arguably dystopian, has a 100% success rate of preventing people from harming the general population, at least as long as they're in prison.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago

I'm reposting a quote from our guy "But even if I only have a handful of fellow patriots standing beside me, I will happily die a young man knowing that I didn’t allow the evils in this world to continue unjustly treating my fellow Americans so disrespectfully." There are many, many heads in the US, experiencing the same sort of concerns that this guy did. With whom should we have conversations and how should those conversations go?

shard972 6y ago
nah they are probs racist
h0l0cube 6y ago
> There are many, many heads in the US, experiencing the same sort of concerns that this guy did. With whom should we have conversations and how should those conversations go? All of them. And not just via government, or the non-existent mental health authorities, but neighbours, acquaintances, and passers-by. Increase social welfare spending, sure, but also, people should be kinder, more empathetic, and look out for one-another. This could be as simple as striking up conversations with strangers, or people outside our wealth bubble. It could mean volunteering for a charity. We're all complicit in the propagation of bad ideas, and the decline in community, and we can't always lean on systems to fix it for us.
- goodlinks 6y ago
  Agree so much! having billions of individual intelligences running around with the ability to kill each other is actually hard to manage. Change management is what makes organisations work, great processes or systems are just a bonus.
  - h0l0cube 6y ago
    Blaming has a lower activation energy than changing, which is our critical flaw.

jvanderbot 6y ago

That's a big if. We can punish, prevent through vigilance, and intervene when possible, it's not zero sum. Ideally a conspiracy charge and some reformation would help the guy see the error of his ways and be a vocal proponent of mental health services. That's the goal of all "re-education" programs though, and we're a little culturally opposed to that.

staticman2 6y ago

I like your idea because it's utopian, and I like the idea of striving for utopia, but in the real world therapists aren't gods and aren't mind readers and can't actually stop someone from killing other people, so it isn't really clear what the "success rate" of your solution might be.

missedthecue 6y ago
On the other hand, imprisoning people, which is arguably dystopian, has a 100% success rate of preventing people from harming the general population, at least as long as they're in prison.