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NFT the DP

28 points by tripu 6y ago

tripu 6y ago
This is bad. Two wrongs don't make a right. Not to minimise the seriousness of cyber-flashing, but sharing with the world intimate/sensitive data/media without the consent of the other party is reprehensible (too). I don't think that “but what they did was 10× worse!” makes this site defensible. I surely hope there are better strategies to deal with unsolicited naked pics.
- capableweb 6y ago
  Hm, I'm not sure you miss the point of the website. It says: "If you feel the urge to send a no-context jpeg of your junk, we’ll give it the audience you clearly think it deserves", so this website is for the people who want to share their intimate junk to the whole world, not for others to share other peoples intimate junk (which I'm pretty sure is illegal in most places)
  - mekkkkkk 6y ago
    No, I think you are the one missing the point. This is clearly for people to post unsolicited DP's that they have received from others. The sentence you quoted is tongue-in-cheek.
  - gruez 6y ago
    A few lines down: >You’re done! Now send the NFT link back to Mr. Creep and laugh all the way to bank. Presumably "Mr. Creep" is the sender of the DP, and not the person using the site and minting the NFT.
  - tripu 6y ago
    That's way too charitable a reading. See context (Twitter, coverage): it's clearly intended as a tool for victims of cyber-flashing, to be used _without_ the consent of the person sending the photo(s).
beaner 6y ago
It's funny till you realize the same thing can be done to people who aren't weirdos too, like for revenge porn and hacked nudes.
- mekkkkkk 6y ago
  Yeah, the whole idea of holding data "reverse-ransomed" (pay to have it removed) is a bit unpalatable. Can't see any wholesome uses for it.
interdrift 6y ago
Weird.
daleharvey 6y ago
This is fairly gross, pretending to be socially concious when if the technical claims were true it would be a horrific potential for abuse (revenge porn etc). NFT's have nothing to do with ownership, if someone puts up your data illegally or even just breaking copyright, get the police / a lawyer involved and they will take it down, luckily NFTs are heavily centralised so it wont be difficult.
- capableweb 6y ago
  > luckily NFTs are heavily centralised so it wont be difficult Interestingly enough, most NFT would disagree with you as long as they are backed by content-addressable systems. What do you mean with that "NFTs are heavily centralized"? The metadata itself is stored on Ethereum or similar while the actual bytes of the media is stored in IPFS. How is that centralized?
  - Qworg 6y ago
    Who is pinning it? https://twitter.com/jonty/status/1372163423446917122?s=19 https://twitter.com/jonty/status/1372163423446917122?s=19
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - gruez 6y ago
      Some digging shows that tweet is totally misinformed. He seems to think that because niftygateway's json response returns an internet-facing url, that the underlying NFT must also be referencing an internet-facing url (as opposed to an IPFS url/hash). This is incorrect. The URL he's seeing in the API response is simply a IPFS proxy service offered by the NFT website. If you extract the identifier of the NFT from the url he linked[1] and plug it to etherscan[2], then scroll down to "trumpVictoryIPFSHash", you can see that the NFT is actually referencing the IPFS hash directly, and not the internet facing url. You can confirm this by plugging that value into an IFPS gateway[3] [1] https://niftygateway.com/itemdetail/primary/0x12f28e2106ce8fd8464885b80ea865e98b465149/1 https://niftygateway.com/itemdetail/primary/0x12f28e2106ce8f... [2] https://etherscan.io/address/0x12f28e2106ce8fd8464885b80ea865e98b465149#readContract https://etherscan.io/address/0x12f28e2106ce8fd8464885b80ea86... [3] https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTu6rr8o8CwbWDf2AbP13gdLFQKbqk1xaHZhFmaptkEdg https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTu6rr8o8CwbWDf2AbP13gdLFQKbqk1xaHZhFm...
tfang17 6y ago
NFTs are following the same trend as 2017 ICOs. Bubble is going to pop at some point. The survivors will be the projects with real long-term value.
- gruez 6y ago
  what's the "real long-term value" of a NFT? At least with ICOs you can say that the tokens could be used for something.
  - heckerhut 6y ago
    People building real infrastructure with dumb money. If you cannot see what that would be in case of NFTs that’s okay. Other people do.
- dezmou 6y ago
  The survivor will be the NFT that pictures are actually on chain
amelius 6y ago
Not HN-worthy.
motohagiography 6y ago
Blackmail as a service. Well done, internet. But you're 25+ years behind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell Not completely sure what the impact of revenge porn is, but I would posit it could reduce your chances of having and raising a kid in a two parent household. Making lists like this have as bad an impact on society than they do on the individuals involved. It's difficult to articulate what someone could reasonably see as the proportionate response to this would be, but it doesn't seem to have a top. I'd recommend to the authors to think these things through, but really, they should just try to be better people.
boredumb 6y ago
Repulsive and vindictive people masquerading as socially righteous? Glad this hasn't been mainstreamed into an acceptable personality type in the last decade!
1123581321 6y ago
It seems like the NFT wouldn’t have much blackmail value if created from an image saved locally. It would be the provable association with the social media account that would give it teeth.
chessmango 6y ago
MetaMask link goes to https://mintable.app/ https://mintable.app/ FYI Real link is https://metamask.io/ https://metamask.io/
JakeStone 6y ago
Since I've never sent a DP to anyone, I think this is hilarious, folks sending them out to people are "obviously" proud of what they're displaying, so I'm not seeing what's the problem here. (tongue in cheek, but I still find the outrage hilarious)
godot 6y ago
All grossness and legality aside, as someone who didn't know much about NFT or the minting/selling process, this was surprisingly the easiest to understand guide about it I've seen anywhere, in plain English that most people could understand.

28 points by tripu 6y ago

This is bad. Two wrongs don't make a right. Not to minimise the seriousness of cyber-flashing, but sharing with the world intimate/sensitive data/media without the consent of the other party is reprehensible (too). I don't think that “but what they did was 10× worse!” makes this site defensible. I surely hope there are better strategies to deal with unsolicited naked pics.

capableweb 6y ago
Hm, I'm not sure you miss the point of the website. It says: "If you feel the urge to send a no-context jpeg of your junk, we’ll give it the audience you clearly think it deserves", so this website is for the people who want to share their intimate junk to the whole world, not for others to share other peoples intimate junk (which I'm pretty sure is illegal in most places)
- mekkkkkk 6y ago
  No, I think you are the one missing the point. This is clearly for people to post unsolicited DP's that they have received from others. The sentence you quoted is tongue-in-cheek.
- gruez 6y ago
  A few lines down: >You’re done! Now send the NFT link back to Mr. Creep and laugh all the way to bank. Presumably "Mr. Creep" is the sender of the DP, and not the person using the site and minting the NFT.
- tripu 6y ago
  That's way too charitable a reading. See context (Twitter, coverage): it's clearly intended as a tool for victims of cyber-flashing, to be used _without_ the consent of the person sending the photo(s).

beaner 6y ago

It's funny till you realize the same thing can be done to people who aren't weirdos too, like for revenge porn and hacked nudes.

mekkkkkk 6y ago
Yeah, the whole idea of holding data "reverse-ransomed" (pay to have it removed) is a bit unpalatable. Can't see any wholesome uses for it.

interdrift 6y ago

Weird.

daleharvey 6y ago

This is fairly gross, pretending to be socially concious when if the technical claims were true it would be a horrific potential for abuse (revenge porn etc). NFT's have nothing to do with ownership, if someone puts up your data illegally or even just breaking copyright, get the police / a lawyer involved and they will take it down, luckily NFTs are heavily centralised so it wont be difficult.

capableweb 6y ago
> luckily NFTs are heavily centralised so it wont be difficult Interestingly enough, most NFT would disagree with you as long as they are backed by content-addressable systems. What do you mean with that "NFTs are heavily centralized"? The metadata itself is stored on Ethereum or similar while the actual bytes of the media is stored in IPFS. How is that centralized?
- Qworg 6y ago
  Who is pinning it? https://twitter.com/jonty/status/1372163423446917122?s=19 https://twitter.com/jonty/status/1372163423446917122?s=19
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - gruez 6y ago
    Some digging shows that tweet is totally misinformed. He seems to think that because niftygateway's json response returns an internet-facing url, that the underlying NFT must also be referencing an internet-facing url (as opposed to an IPFS url/hash). This is incorrect. The URL he's seeing in the API response is simply a IPFS proxy service offered by the NFT website. If you extract the identifier of the NFT from the url he linked[1] and plug it to etherscan[2], then scroll down to "trumpVictoryIPFSHash", you can see that the NFT is actually referencing the IPFS hash directly, and not the internet facing url. You can confirm this by plugging that value into an IFPS gateway[3] [1] https://niftygateway.com/itemdetail/primary/0x12f28e2106ce8fd8464885b80ea865e98b465149/1 https://niftygateway.com/itemdetail/primary/0x12f28e2106ce8f... [2] https://etherscan.io/address/0x12f28e2106ce8fd8464885b80ea865e98b465149#readContract https://etherscan.io/address/0x12f28e2106ce8fd8464885b80ea86... [3] https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTu6rr8o8CwbWDf2AbP13gdLFQKbqk1xaHZhFmaptkEdg https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTu6rr8o8CwbWDf2AbP13gdLFQKbqk1xaHZhFm...

tfang17 6y ago

NFTs are following the same trend as 2017 ICOs. Bubble is going to pop at some point. The survivors will be the projects with real long-term value.

gruez 6y ago
what's the "real long-term value" of a NFT? At least with ICOs you can say that the tokens could be used for something.
- heckerhut 6y ago
  People building real infrastructure with dumb money. If you cannot see what that would be in case of NFTs that’s okay. Other people do.
dezmou 6y ago
The survivor will be the NFT that pictures are actually on chain

amelius 6y ago

Not HN-worthy.

motohagiography 6y ago

Blackmail as a service. Well done, internet. But you're 25+ years behind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell Not completely sure what the impact of revenge porn is, but I would posit it could reduce your chances of having and raising a kid in a two parent household. Making lists like this have as bad an impact on society than they do on the individuals involved. It's difficult to articulate what someone could reasonably see as the proportionate response to this would be, but it doesn't seem to have a top. I'd recommend to the authors to think these things through, but really, they should just try to be better people.

boredumb 6y ago

Repulsive and vindictive people masquerading as socially righteous? Glad this hasn't been mainstreamed into an acceptable personality type in the last decade!

1123581321 6y ago

It seems like the NFT wouldn’t have much blackmail value if created from an image saved locally. It would be the provable association with the social media account that would give it teeth.

chessmango 6y ago

MetaMask link goes to https://mintable.app/ https://mintable.app/ FYI Real link is https://metamask.io/ https://metamask.io/

JakeStone 6y ago

Since I've never sent a DP to anyone, I think this is hilarious, folks sending them out to people are "obviously" proud of what they're displaying, so I'm not seeing what's the problem here. (tongue in cheek, but I still find the outrage hilarious)

godot 6y ago

All grossness and legality aside, as someone who didn't know much about NFT or the minting/selling process, this was surprisingly the easiest to understand guide about it I've seen anywhere, in plain English that most people could understand.