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One common similarity in these cases is that always relatively powerless people are exposed and "face consequences" (don't we all love that phrase by now). Cli

by dlpyt 6y ago

One common similarity in these cases is that always relatively powerless people are exposed and "face consequences" (don't we all love that phrase by now). Clinton and Gates also had "connections" to Epstein. The really interesting part is a) who Epstein worked for and b) the powerful people he collected information about. I find it hard to believe that visits to this island were just favors to his friends. More likely he took videos and collected compromising information, Hoover style.

duxup 6y ago
>I find it hard to believe that visits to this island were just favors to his friends. More likely he took videos and collected compromising information, Hoover style. Why would favors to friends be 'hard to believe'? Favors among friends seems like a pretty predictable human trait. You're headed down the tinfoil road here I think.
- phkahler 6y ago
  Except we know his brothel was full of video cameras. He had dirt on a lot of people.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  Epstein and his associates have all admitted that there were hidden cameras throughout all of his properties which he used to record the activities of his guests for later blackmail and leverage. Epstein, Maxwell, Guiffre, his staff and many associates have confirmed as much. Epstein also had known ties to multiple intelligence agencies.
  - duxup 6y ago
    Do we know who they actually blackmailed?
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      No, and we're unlikely to find out. According to Acosta, he was let go the first time because: > he was told that Epstein "belonged to intelligence", was "above his pay grade," and to "leave it alone". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecution_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecuti...
  - yawaworht1978 6y ago
    Did any of them really admit all that, especially the blackmail part? Not counting Guiffre, as she is the victim.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      There's been several interviews with IT people who helped setup the surveillance and networking equipment. It's also documented that the cameras did exist as discovered when his NY home was raided. Maria Farmer talks about this too: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-maria-farmer-says-his-house-under-constant-tv-surveillance/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-maria-f...
      - sjtindell 6y ago
        But you said Epstein, Maxwell, etc. have confirmed as much. I think you’re right, but I don’t think we have any clear evidence of it yet in public. All I’ve seen is evidence that there were cameras.
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  The Virgin Islands locals referred to it as "pedophile island." By all accounts Epstein was constantly in the company of girls of dubiously legal age. I could believe someone might go out to the island initially unaware of what was up. I don't believe they could maintain a long association with him (as Nowak did) without knowing or, more likely, participating in the abuse ring.
  - duxup 6y ago
    The timing seems like like he would likely have known about the accusations I agree. Having said that, I gotta think Epstein (or really anyone up to this stuff) was pretty good about feeling out who he could victimize and who he could rope into his things ... and who he couldn't / it would be risky to do so. That probably means not revealing too much to folks he could use for his own purposes... but would want to avoid involving in the really dark stuff. I gotta think folks who are up to this kind of thing at scale are reasonably good at sidestepping potential land mines / folks who might not be down with the darker things he was up to. Thus I get a little skeptical about the idea that anyone associated had to have known all the details.
- dls2016 6y ago
  Tinfoil hat would be mentioning Les Wexner’s ties to Southern Air Transport (notorious CIA front company). My guess: he blackmailed rich people and then funneled money to intelligence services under the guise of “giving tax advice”.
notsobig 6y ago
No no but gates is our hero now... It disgusts me how short public memory can be.
- bioinformatics 6y ago
  My favourite Gates moment of all time is when he got some pie.
okprod 6y ago
> Clinton and Gates also had "connections" to Epstein. You forgot Trump.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  Trump, Clinton, Gates, Reid Hoffman, Joi Ito, Naomi Campbell, Dershowitz, Nowak, David Copperfield, Minsky, Bill Richardson, Woody Allen, Prince Andrew, MBS... Epstein had deep connections to all of these people (and plenty more). It's actually quite terrifying and depressing when you start to look at the big picture.
  - dehrmann 6y ago
    > Woody Allen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen_sexual_abuse_allegation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen_sexual_abuse_alleg... I don't read into the connections as a whole too much, though. The rich and famous hang out with the rich and famous.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      Epstein was open with his behavior and many of these people have been accused by Epstein victims of also raping them. The tech people I listed also worked hard to conceal their relationship with Epstein, including lying about it multiple times.
Ceezy 6y ago
Don't forget Trump
VSPrw3C1yK 6y ago
> One common similarity in these cases is that always relatively powerless people are exposed and "face consequences" (don't we all love that phrase by now). Oh, god, the poor, powerless Harvard professors. My heart bleeds.

by dlpyt 6y ago

duxup 6y ago

>I find it hard to believe that visits to this island were just favors to his friends. More likely he took videos and collected compromising information, Hoover style. Why would favors to friends be 'hard to believe'? Favors among friends seems like a pretty predictable human trait. You're headed down the tinfoil road here I think.

phkahler 6y ago
Except we know his brothel was full of video cameras. He had dirt on a lot of people.
solosoyokaze 6y ago
Epstein and his associates have all admitted that there were hidden cameras throughout all of his properties which he used to record the activities of his guests for later blackmail and leverage. Epstein, Maxwell, Guiffre, his staff and many associates have confirmed as much. Epstein also had known ties to multiple intelligence agencies.
- duxup 6y ago
  Do we know who they actually blackmailed?
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    No, and we're unlikely to find out. According to Acosta, he was let go the first time because: > he was told that Epstein "belonged to intelligence", was "above his pay grade," and to "leave it alone". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecution_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecuti...
- yawaworht1978 6y ago
  Did any of them really admit all that, especially the blackmail part? Not counting Guiffre, as she is the victim.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    There's been several interviews with IT people who helped setup the surveillance and networking equipment. It's also documented that the cameras did exist as discovered when his NY home was raided. Maria Farmer talks about this too: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-maria-farmer-says-his-house-under-constant-tv-surveillance/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-maria-f...
    - sjtindell 6y ago
      But you said Epstein, Maxwell, etc. have confirmed as much. I think you’re right, but I don’t think we have any clear evidence of it yet in public. All I’ve seen is evidence that there were cameras.
AndrewBissell 6y ago
The Virgin Islands locals referred to it as "pedophile island." By all accounts Epstein was constantly in the company of girls of dubiously legal age. I could believe someone might go out to the island initially unaware of what was up. I don't believe they could maintain a long association with him (as Nowak did) without knowing or, more likely, participating in the abuse ring.
- duxup 6y ago
  The timing seems like like he would likely have known about the accusations I agree. Having said that, I gotta think Epstein (or really anyone up to this stuff) was pretty good about feeling out who he could victimize and who he could rope into his things ... and who he couldn't / it would be risky to do so. That probably means not revealing too much to folks he could use for his own purposes... but would want to avoid involving in the really dark stuff. I gotta think folks who are up to this kind of thing at scale are reasonably good at sidestepping potential land mines / folks who might not be down with the darker things he was up to. Thus I get a little skeptical about the idea that anyone associated had to have known all the details.
dls2016 6y ago
Tinfoil hat would be mentioning Les Wexner’s ties to Southern Air Transport (notorious CIA front company). My guess: he blackmailed rich people and then funneled money to intelligence services under the guise of “giving tax advice”.

notsobig 6y ago

No no but gates is our hero now... It disgusts me how short public memory can be.

bioinformatics 6y ago
My favourite Gates moment of all time is when he got some pie.

okprod 6y ago

> Clinton and Gates also had "connections" to Epstein. You forgot Trump.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
Trump, Clinton, Gates, Reid Hoffman, Joi Ito, Naomi Campbell, Dershowitz, Nowak, David Copperfield, Minsky, Bill Richardson, Woody Allen, Prince Andrew, MBS... Epstein had deep connections to all of these people (and plenty more). It's actually quite terrifying and depressing when you start to look at the big picture.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  > Woody Allen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen_sexual_abuse_allegation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen_sexual_abuse_alleg... I don't read into the connections as a whole too much, though. The rich and famous hang out with the rich and famous.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    Epstein was open with his behavior and many of these people have been accused by Epstein victims of also raping them. The tech people I listed also worked hard to conceal their relationship with Epstein, including lying about it multiple times.

Ceezy 6y ago

Don't forget Trump

VSPrw3C1yK 6y ago

> One common similarity in these cases is that always relatively powerless people are exposed and "face consequences" (don't we all love that phrase by now). Oh, god, the poor, powerless Harvard professors. My heart bleeds.