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Images from a ‘Day of Shame’ in Myanmar, with Scores Shot Dead Image

131 points by cwwc 6y ago

aaron695 6y ago
More graphic photos here, https://twitter.com/MilkTeaMM_MTAM https://twitter.com/MilkTeaMM_MTAM But nothing to indicate scores shot dead yet. "Myanmar army launches air strikes in Karen state, group says" I think was in response to this - "Meanwhile, one of Myanmar’s two dozen ethnic armed groups, the Karen National Union, said it had overrun an army post near the Thai border, killing 10 people – including a lieutenant colonel – and losing one of its own fighters."
- Clewza313 6y ago
  The title is mangled: there is no single image of "scores dead", but there are credible reports of 90+ deaths, making Saturday by far the worst day so far.
  - aaron695 6y ago
    > there are credible reports of 90+ deaths Not doubting it, but if we are going to look at images we must acknowledge a child blinded by a rubber bullet in the NYT article means they are not firing live ammunition. The child with their hand missing on Twitter, shows they are using live ammunition. I would say the burnt body photos of Aye Ko are the most concerning. To have wounded him then burned him alive on burning tires is a move towards brutality I don't understand from a military on the general population in a non failed state. Since these solders are the general population, the news is not indicating this is sectarian. Death toll sources - Some are using - https://www.myanmar-now.org/en/news/cities-terrorised-as-junta-escalates-lethal-violence-against-public-on-armed-forces-day https://www.myanmar-now.org/en/news/cities-terrorised-as-jun... BBC used - https://aappb.org/?p=13901 https://aappb.org/?p=13901
    - baybal2 6y ago
      > Since these solders are the general population, the news is not indicating this is sectarian. How the military works in Burma. Soldiers are recruited from poorest, and least educated parts of the country from the young age - prople easiest to brainwash into belief of their entitlements, speciality, and other moral corruption.
- dudeinjapan 6y ago
  A "score" means 20 people. "Scores" would mean 40 or more, so the NYT title is accurate.
imwillofficial 6y ago
I see Myanmar fighting for independence from outside influences (read Soros puppets) as noble.
- Leparamour 6y ago
  >I see Myanmar fighting for independence from outside influences (read Soros puppets) as noble. Can you elaborate the above statement? Which side are the "Soros' puppets" in this conflict?
  - Freak_NL 6y ago
    If George Goros did only one percent of what he is accused of by conspiracy theorists he would already be one of the most effective world leaders ever. I get the mental need for conspiracy theories to have satisfying but ultimately unprovable and nebulous actors that enact the acts theorised about; lizard people? Sure great. A worldwide paedosexual cabal? Why not. But George Soros? Is it the combination of being rich, Jewish, progressive, somewhat influential, and also foreign enough to pin on any theory one likes? I guess the name-dropping by nationalist autocratic leaders doesn't help either.
    - tasogare 6y ago
      Funding (activist) organizations is a very effective way to get influence with money. This is exactly what the Gates fundation is doing for example. So it’s stupid to compare the funding that can be somewhat tracked and proved made by an individual or organization (some people did it, hence that name became famous) to crackpot theories like lizard people.
  - throwa1114 6y ago
    This is fairly respected regional news source (note their coverage of protesters killed): https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-bank-accounts-soros-open-society-foundation.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-b... Aung San Suu Kyi is photographed with Soros. Open Society bank accounts seem legitimate. I'm not on either side here. I'm frustrated by the top level for throwing out a wild accusation. I'm also frustrated by the other replies, who leap on without due diligence.
baybal2 6y ago
Myanmar needs guns, so its free people don't have to fight those beasts with nothing more than knives, and sticks.
- yummybear 6y ago
  So civil war? I’m not sure that will help the number of casualties.
  - baybal2 6y ago
    It will not help the number of casualties, but it will save the hope of a nation.
  - livueta 6y ago
    Myanmar is already the site of the world's longest ongoing civil war: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Myanmar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Myanmar For decades, the Karen/Kachin/other ethnic armies have recognized that they can only defend against the Tatmadaw by force of arms. They're not the ones getting shot in the streets, because they're the ones out getting shot at in the hills. So, in a sense the OP is very correct: Myanmar is already home to plenty of examples of how peaceful protests don't work on total monsters - they'll just keep shooting. Ask a Karen how well peaceful negotiation worked on Ne Win. Not that armed conflict is a panacea, obviously - the war is ongoing. However, as far as I can tell, the fact that most of the recent casualties have occurred in cities like Yangon vs, e.g., Pa-an, has to do with how the latter is full of armed guerillas rather than exclusively government troops.
- CyanBird 6y ago
  Please do let me know how that went in Libya
  - baybal2 6y ago
    > Please do let me know how that went in Libya It went very well. Gaddafi's regime was stomped.
kybernetyk 6y ago
I think Myanmar should implement harsher gun control laws.
- lazide 6y ago
  I have yet to see a gun control scheme that involves taking guns from the army or the government, which is the folks shooting people here. I’d even argue the military is able to act with such impunity because outside of the occasional smuggled gun, the worst counterforce they need to worry about is a bow and arrow or thrown rock.
tim333 6y ago
It's getting to the stage where a bit of gunboat diplomacy might be in order? Like the US could ask them to respect human rights and democracy while parking a couple of aircraft carriers near Yangon.

131 points by cwwc 6y ago

More graphic photos here, https://twitter.com/MilkTeaMM_MTAM https://twitter.com/MilkTeaMM_MTAM But nothing to indicate scores shot dead yet. "Myanmar army launches air strikes in Karen state, group says" I think was in response to this - "Meanwhile, one of Myanmar’s two dozen ethnic armed groups, the Karen National Union, said it had overrun an army post near the Thai border, killing 10 people – including a lieutenant colonel – and losing one of its own fighters."

Clewza313 6y ago
The title is mangled: there is no single image of "scores dead", but there are credible reports of 90+ deaths, making Saturday by far the worst day so far.
- aaron695 6y ago
  > there are credible reports of 90+ deaths Not doubting it, but if we are going to look at images we must acknowledge a child blinded by a rubber bullet in the NYT article means they are not firing live ammunition. The child with their hand missing on Twitter, shows they are using live ammunition. I would say the burnt body photos of Aye Ko are the most concerning. To have wounded him then burned him alive on burning tires is a move towards brutality I don't understand from a military on the general population in a non failed state. Since these solders are the general population, the news is not indicating this is sectarian. Death toll sources - Some are using - https://www.myanmar-now.org/en/news/cities-terrorised-as-junta-escalates-lethal-violence-against-public-on-armed-forces-day https://www.myanmar-now.org/en/news/cities-terrorised-as-jun... BBC used - https://aappb.org/?p=13901 https://aappb.org/?p=13901
  - baybal2 6y ago
    > Since these solders are the general population, the news is not indicating this is sectarian. How the military works in Burma. Soldiers are recruited from poorest, and least educated parts of the country from the young age - prople easiest to brainwash into belief of their entitlements, speciality, and other moral corruption.
dudeinjapan 6y ago
A "score" means 20 people. "Scores" would mean 40 or more, so the NYT title is accurate.

imwillofficial 6y ago

I see Myanmar fighting for independence from outside influences (read Soros puppets) as noble.

Leparamour 6y ago
>I see Myanmar fighting for independence from outside influences (read Soros puppets) as noble. Can you elaborate the above statement? Which side are the "Soros' puppets" in this conflict?
- Freak_NL 6y ago
  If George Goros did only one percent of what he is accused of by conspiracy theorists he would already be one of the most effective world leaders ever. I get the mental need for conspiracy theories to have satisfying but ultimately unprovable and nebulous actors that enact the acts theorised about; lizard people? Sure great. A worldwide paedosexual cabal? Why not. But George Soros? Is it the combination of being rich, Jewish, progressive, somewhat influential, and also foreign enough to pin on any theory one likes? I guess the name-dropping by nationalist autocratic leaders doesn't help either.
  - tasogare 6y ago
    Funding (activist) organizations is a very effective way to get influence with money. This is exactly what the Gates fundation is doing for example. So it’s stupid to compare the funding that can be somewhat tracked and proved made by an individual or organization (some people did it, hence that name became famous) to crackpot theories like lizard people.
- throwa1114 6y ago
  This is fairly respected regional news source (note their coverage of protesters killed): https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-bank-accounts-soros-open-society-foundation.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-b... Aung San Suu Kyi is photographed with Soros. Open Society bank accounts seem legitimate. I'm not on either side here. I'm frustrated by the top level for throwing out a wild accusation. I'm also frustrated by the other replies, who leap on without due diligence.

baybal2 6y ago

Myanmar needs guns, so its free people don't have to fight those beasts with nothing more than knives, and sticks.

yummybear 6y ago
So civil war? I’m not sure that will help the number of casualties.
- baybal2 6y ago
  It will not help the number of casualties, but it will save the hope of a nation.
- livueta 6y ago
  Myanmar is already the site of the world's longest ongoing civil war: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Myanmar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Myanmar For decades, the Karen/Kachin/other ethnic armies have recognized that they can only defend against the Tatmadaw by force of arms. They're not the ones getting shot in the streets, because they're the ones out getting shot at in the hills. So, in a sense the OP is very correct: Myanmar is already home to plenty of examples of how peaceful protests don't work on total monsters - they'll just keep shooting. Ask a Karen how well peaceful negotiation worked on Ne Win. Not that armed conflict is a panacea, obviously - the war is ongoing. However, as far as I can tell, the fact that most of the recent casualties have occurred in cities like Yangon vs, e.g., Pa-an, has to do with how the latter is full of armed guerillas rather than exclusively government troops.
CyanBird 6y ago
Please do let me know how that went in Libya
- baybal2 6y ago
  > Please do let me know how that went in Libya It went very well. Gaddafi's regime was stomped.

kybernetyk 6y ago

I think Myanmar should implement harsher gun control laws.

lazide 6y ago
I have yet to see a gun control scheme that involves taking guns from the army or the government, which is the folks shooting people here. I’d even argue the military is able to act with such impunity because outside of the occasional smuggled gun, the worst counterforce they need to worry about is a bow and arrow or thrown rock.

tim333 6y ago

It's getting to the stage where a bit of gunboat diplomacy might be in order? Like the US could ask them to respect human rights and democracy while parking a couple of aircraft carriers near Yangon.