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New details on military UFO sightings
- tyleo 6y agoUFOs fascinate me. Originally I thought they were pure crack pottery but a friend got me interested with the following argument: Whatever is responsible for these government videos has to be interesting: * Unknown natural phenomenon * Conspiracy with real tech from a government and a coverup * Conspiracy with fabricated videos from the US government, press releases, and a coverup * Aliens
- Gys 6y agoOr they are real and nobody including 'the governement' (pls be aware the US is just a small part of the world) has a rational explanation (for now). The U in UFO is for 'Unidentified'. It does not mean 'Alien'.
- tyleo 6y agoI edited my post to clarify
- bottled_poe 6y agoOr more precisely, “The A in UFO is for Aliens”.
- yellowapple 6y agoIt just dawned on me that this is the case for the expanded form of that initialism, too.
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- nom 6y agoAlso: * birds * (weather) balloons * camera artifacts * other privately owned airborne objects Not everything is a conspiracy.
- tyleo 6y agoHave you listened to any accounts, especially from the military folks who recorded some of the content? Birds, balloons, known airborne objects don’t travel at the speeds of military vehicles which were following. I’d consider camera artifacts to be a phenomenon. It would still be interesting that a previously unknown artifact presents in certain conditions that mainly occur on military equipment.
- adrianN 6y agoUFOs are probably a mixture of different phenomena. A couple of reports are quite difficult to explain. Unexplained weather phenomena doesn't sound like such a far-fetched theory to me.
- eplanit 6y agoOr "swamp gas", per MIB.
- michaelcampbell 6y agoKnowing what little about humanity I do, what would be the end-game of covering up "aliens". What money or power is there in doing so, and does anyone really think that many governments would agree on such a thing? Covering up state-secret tech, sure; there's obvious reasons for that. It is interesting that the shape/manner/physical characteristics of UFOs seem to gel with whatever the current time's zeitgeist is for the time they've been reported. Aliens must have a human fashion sense.
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- tyleo 6y agoI don’t know that a government would cover it up if it were aliens. I think the other possibilities are more likely.
- Nextgrid 6y agoIf you're studying alien tech for the purposes of weaponizing it, you wouldn't want someone else to know about it let alone study it, thus covering it up makes sense. A good coverup where no information leaks would be best, the second best is to cover it up with a false explanation of "not aliens" and "nothing interesting here" as to dissuade anyone else of investigating/studying the phenomenon.
- drdec 6y agoAgain, I don't think this is likely, but here's an angle to argue for the cover up. The US used to be a much more religious country that it is today. The existence of aliens has a lot of implications for religion. It could be that when the cover up started, the people in power didn't want to deal with those implications and especially didn't want a lot of disaffected formerly religious people (don't forget that part of religion is control over the populace). So they covered it up. Once the cover up starts it has momentum and I can see it continuing past the time the original reason is relevant.
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- jonnypotty 6y agoPlease scientists, investigate and stop laughing at UFOs cos one day history is going to laugh at you.
- ninjamayo 6y agoLex (Fridman) has been trying for a while in his latest podcasts to invite scientists to investigate the phenomenon. Treat it like any other scientific exploration, with an open mind and led by data and evidence. Evidence of UFOs does not equate necessarily to alien life. This could be a unique natural phenomenon.
- jonnypotty 6y agoThe most likely explanation (not saying I'm right) most likely as far as I can see is aliens, by a mile. Have you seen what these objects do? How they move. Verified by multiple sources and electronic equipment. Ima stick my neck out and say "wow that looks like aliens!" becuase it does and I don't really care if I turn out to be wrong. Something real, amazing, and not understood is going on. I simply don't understand why everyone hasn't got their jaw on the floor.
- GrumpyNl 6y agoYou should have seen their jaws by the sight of the first lightbulb.
- awb 6y agoHumans have a history of concocting supernatural phenomenon (ghosts, witchcraft, mediums, remote viewing, etc.). Unfortunately, we’re 0 for X in scientifically proving any of these other worldly claims. However, in every one of those instances we’ve been presented with a misinterpretation or a lack of information and filled in the blanks with quite fanciful stories that were relevant to the culture of the time period.
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- secondcoming 6y ago> “Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.” Physics noob here so be gentle. I initially thought that the sonic boom is caused by the compression of the sound of the aircraft's own engines, but then realised that couldn't be correct as meteorites can also create sonic booms and they have no engines. The boom is caused by the air being compressed in front of the object? Is the loudness of the engines irrelevent to the intensity of the boom, it's all due to speed? So these sonic boom-less aircraft - if they're real - must be doing something to the air in front of it?
- yetihehe 6y agoYes, NASA is working on reducing sonic booms, but there is still long way to go. Typically that reduction is achieved through change in aerodynamic shape so that sonic waves created by aircraft are modified/nullified. UFO's from reports typically look very unomptimised aerodynamically.
- wazoox 6y agoYes, for instance they could use magnetohydrodynamic drives[1] to create a bubble of quasi-void around the aircraft. In the 70s Jean-Pierre Petit did some demonstrations of flying-saucer like models. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive
- Smooth-Weather 6y agoYes indeed, Jean-Pierre Petit has a YouTube channel where he talks about multiple subjects. In a 2020 video, he made a small video describing the links between UFO sightings and MHD: https://youtu.be/56fGzcp6bIU?t=65 https://youtu.be/56fGzcp6bIU?t=65 (Subtitles available). For people interested, here is a video presentation in English about applications of MHD technology for aircraft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVN7qf3DlX0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVN7qf3DlX0 And here is a conference paper about the same subject: https://januscosmologicalmodel.com/pdf/MHD/2009-Bremen-aerospace.pdf https://januscosmologicalmodel.com/pdf/MHD/2009-Bremen-aeros...
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- injb 6y agoThe more I hear about these the more I'm convinced that this guy[1] was on to something. It may be that someone has become really good at this and can now make distinct shapes instead of just a glowing orb. [1] https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/so-ya-dont-believe-it-was-a-proton-beam-eh/ https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang...
- cageface 6y agoThat is an amazing UI.
- zoid_ 6y agoWhich aspect(s) of the UI do you find to be amazing? Asking for educational purposes.
- robohoe 6y agoI miss Tom Mahood. I wonder if he's still around. Last update was on Sept 4, 2019. He has a number of popular articles and stories about search and rescue. One that comes to mind is the search for missing Germans in Death Valley [0]. [0] https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hunt-for-the-death-valley-germans/ https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hu...
- injb 6y ago+1 The Death Valley Germans case was how I found Tom's website. I still think about Bill Ewasko all the time. Hopefully he'll be found some day.
- maybelsyrup 6y agoThere's some neat info in these blog posts but the guy's writing is insufferably melodramatic, sarcastic, and self-referential. So, a blog, basically. I'm glad that craze is mostly over.
- yummypaint 6y agoIt isn't clear to me what specific observation he's trying to explain. The most important thing to know about bethe bloch is that everyone abuses it and applies it when it isn't really applicable. SRIM is intended for things like calculating penetration depth when implanting ions in materials (maybe a couple MeV energy at most). There will be oodles of physics in play at higher energies that aren't considered by SRIM, especially above pion production threshold near 140 MeV. I can also tell you that a 500 GeV proton beam will be moving nearly the speed of light and so will not look like a tictac or other recent observations. Also, making such a beam would require a huge stable facility, not portable at all. Making such beams is also outrageously energy innefficient. It typically isn't even thought about because it's so low.
- helsinkiandrew 6y agoThere are so many natural weird optical phenomena in the atmosphere - rainbows, light pillars, mirages, sundogs, that can create strange sightings. What makes me think they're not aliens, is that there are so many different types of sightings - cigars, disks, shining light patterns - how many different types of alien craft are there?
- api 6y agoGood points, but how many atmospheric illusions also show up on radar? There is a subset of UFO sightings that are "multiple sensor" sightings, such as both radar and visual or both visual and infrared. I tend to dismiss all but the highest quality multiple sensor confirmation sightings for the reason you state, but that leaves a residue of really interesting cases that are probably something. The next thing to rule out is something ours, such as classified weapons technology.
- saberdancer 6y agoCould you list a couple of examples? It's not impossible for the observer to be mistaken. For example they see an optical phenomenon while on radar they are seeing a distant commercial aircraft going behind a mountain.
- helsinkiandrew 6y agoWeather balloons! ice and water droplets, dust, birds, drones, asteroids, radio interference, foreign weapons technology - I'm willing to accept that some sightings will always be UFOs and the easiest explanation is alien craft. But I'm sure shooting stars and the aurora borealis where seen as messengers from the gods.
- andrewflnr 6y agoHow many different types of human craft are there?
- helsinkiandrew 6y agoAny 4 year old would identify a car/lorry/plane as such. They're mostly small or large versions of the same design. Our spacecraft from Semyorka to Apollo, Spaceshuttle and Falcon 9 all look like 'rockets' as they're constrained by the physics and propulsion systems.
- DrBazza 6y agoThe "gimbal video" has been plausibly explained several times already. It seems journalists cannot be bothered to actually do a bit of research before writing these articles. First hit on google: https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29089 https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29089 Occam's razor. Develop the technology to travel light years through space, and craft to fly through an alien planet's atmosphere (more dense/less dense/hotter/cooler), and then... flash a few lights, disappear, bend over a bit of corn, and bother a farmer in the middle of nowhere? Or... mistaken natural phenomena, hoaxes, faulty video equipment, and so on. Sorry, but alien UFOs do not exist.
- jwally 6y agoI tend to agree... Why would you go all the way to Earth with your god-like-technology only to get caught by our (to them) dumb-dumb radar systems and airplanes; and not at least say "hello". I'd think that if you can travel intergalactic distances, you would either - a) evade our detection - b) say hello Unless they have a sick sense of humor, I can't reconcile it and lean towards ETIs aren't currently visiting us. (edit to change UFO to ETI)
- drdec 6y agoLet me preface this with, I don't think it is likely, just playing devil's^W ETIs advocate. It makes sense to me if the ETIs have a prime-directive-like reason not to engage but have reason to monitor or study humans. Then the behavior seems similar to teen-agers bashing mailboxes from cars or when the Air Force of one country gets a little too close to planes from another country. Your basic low-level alien tweaking the superiors/humans and seeing what it can get away with.
- thu2111 6y agoI feel like a challenge so I'm going to play the devil's advocate. It is possible to craft explanations for why UFOs behave this way, if they are in fact aliens. There's a very common fallacy in a lot of alien debunking discussions. It goes like this: if you can travel faster than light then your technological powers are entirely unlimited and you can do whatever you want. There's an implied assumption that FTL travel is a sort of über-technology and the speed of light is a kind of ur-limit. Once you know how to break it, every other physical law becomes breakable too. There's no logical reason to believe this is the case. It's a social assumption caused by the fame of Einstein and the way pop culture has constantly told us FTL travel is "impossible", putting anything that can do FTL immediately into the realm of "if you can do one impossible thing, why not N impossible things". But C being the universal speed limit is a theory only 115 years old. That's not very long in the grand scheme of things. And now we're seeing respectable and serious physics research that explores the concept of a warp drive. Whilst still in the realm of impossible, it appears there are gradients of impossible and FTL travel may slowly be moving between them. What if FTL travel is easier than we think? Then a civilisation that mastered it would not be some unimaginably advanced god-like race about whom we can assume nothing. It would be a civilisation kinda like ours, just with FTL drives. And we could then start to apply everyday reasoning to their behaviour. For example, why would UFOs fly around and yet be detected by radar/cameras/sensors etc? Well, maybe: • Complete invisibility is not a tech they have. Our stealth tech is not entirely stealthy, just stealthy enough to get close against currently existing radars. • Their FTL drives are incompatible with the type of ship geometry required for radar invisibility. • Their knowledge of our own sensor capabilities is old/not entirely accurate, so they can hide from sensors but don't always do so at the right times. E.g. it may have impose some energy or tactical costs to hide so they don't want to do it all the time. • They don't actually care whether they are detected or not. • They do in fact have invisibility technology and there are shit-tons of UFOs flying around that we don't detect, but because they're not an uber-race they make mistakes just like we do and occasionally this results in sightings that shouldn't have happened. Why would they not make contact? Maybe: • They don't wish to because we have nothing to offer them. • They don't know / can't agree on which political bloc to make contact with, and are waiting for humanity to unite under one world government (hopefully not). • They have some rules against making contact unless some galactic federation votes that it should happen and the votes hasn't yet been won, but information is being collected by survey craft to inform the decision making progress. Why would they apparently rejoice in doing ludicrous or pointless changes in speed or direction? • Why not? If your FTL drive lets you change direction without needing to worry about gravity, why would you ever turn in a curve? • Maybe they are frequently retasked and need to go somewhere different to their original goal, especially when they believe they were detected? And so on. The thing is, if you're willing to make just a slight leap and assume that FTL tech is not as hard as we think, then it's suddenly easy to come up with lots of explanations for UFO behaviours. It's only the social assumption of (FTL->any imaginable tech) that makes us ignore these possibilities.
- undefined1 6y agowhy is the video quality of UFO sightings always so terrible, in a world increasingly filled with high quality cameras?
- reactor 6y agohttps://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1374167754404630528?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1374167754404630528?s=20
- KingOfCoders 6y agoThe same reason loud speakers in trains and airports sound like loudspeakers were just invented five years ago.
- nradov 6y agoLoudspeakers in trains and airports are typically constant voltage systems. This allows for long cable runs with minimal power loss, but there's a separate transformer at each speaker which introduces a lot of distortion.
- KingOfCoders 6y agoThanks for the explanation. Glad my Spotify+Sonos is not constant voltage with long cables from Sweden but works with fiber/Wifi.
- Pyramus 6y agoThis has become quite the meme [1] but that doesn't make it true. We do have indeed very little (arguably no) evidence for extraterrestrial UFOs but we do have high-quality data on UFOs in general. Most of them are explained by simple physical phenomena. Some of them, however, actually do relate to unexplained phenomena or projects by state level actors. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1374167754404630528?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1374167754404630528?s=20
- the-dude 6y agoCCTV material of criminals is similarly atrocious. + zhe objects are far away.
- king_magic 6y agoI think there's two options for UFO sightings: A) there are real, ET or machine intelligence piloted UFOs actually visiting us - or - B) this whole thing has been a long, slow burn disinformation campaign to reduce the risk of nuclear war by scaring nuclear weapon powers into believing there is something with greater power out there capable of quickly eradicating nations that move to aggressively use nuclear weapons I'm leaning towards B, personally. Just makes more sense to me - make people afraid, unsure of what's out there - give leaders just enough doubt to second guess pressing the nuclear button.
- roberttod 6y agoUse of nuclear weapons already guarantees mutual annihilation. I'm pretty sure the US government isn't trying to scare dictators with alien activity - I doubt anyone would change policy without a real alien coming and talking to us.
- king_magic 6y agoIt doesn't guarantee mutual annihilation at all. We've already used nuclear weapons, and there's certainly the possibility they will be used again in future conflicts in a limited scale that doesn't end civilization. My point is: if you do a good enough job pretending that an alien has already come and gave us a stern warning, you can potentially influence your adversary's thinking.
- Theory5 6y ago"It doesn't guarantee mutual annihilation at all. We've already used nuclear weapons" That's a weird thing to say. When was the last time we used them, during a war? Back before any other power had them. Literally the US was the only country with those bombs. That's obviously not mutually assured anything. Now, almost everyone has at least one, and the US and Russia have many more.
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- cyberlab 6y agoThis is purely anecdotal, but I once saw a UFO that didn't seem to move like a plane. It was a good distance away so I couldn't see much of the craft's detail. I wanted some sort of proof that it was intelligent, so I said 'Prove yourself' to the craft, and it proceeded to do a blunt 90 degree right angle turn at high speed (without slowing down). It was as if the craft operators knew they were spotted and wanted to say 'hello' in this peculiar way by doing an impossible maneuver. If these are hyper-intelligent beings, I would imagine they made some sort of digital clone of themselves so they could explore space without carrying around a biological body through space which would die faster than a digital clone. With a robotic digital self you could live for millions of years exploring, and then when ready, bring lots of data back home from your travels and recon of other planets.
- benlumen 6y agoI've seen them too, I believe you. I think we're being visited and watched from a distance. Skepticism is normal and understandable but I'm surprised at the amount of uninformed skepticism on this topic here. It seems like a lot of people still don't know what's going on. So many credible, high-ranking people in military and government have come forward over the years. Edgar Mitchell had a PHD and walked on the moon and tried to tell us about UFOs.
- mertd 6y agoUFOs exist. Jumping to the conclusion that they must be controlled by sentinel beings from someplace else in the universe is a rather giant leap though. Sometimes they are simply "unidentified" flying objects.
- dwaltrip 6y agoHumans are not reliable narrators. We have been fooled about observed phenomena so badly so many times before. Aliens are exciting so people want to believe. It’s boring to conclude that your brain spazzed out and you saw something that wasn’t real. Or that you saw some strange looking natural phenomena that you don’t understand. But this happens all the time. Not to mention hallucinations, altered mental stages, optical illusions, exotic atmospheric phenomena, and so on... I would need the most compelling evidence humanly imaginable to seriously consider the idea.
- CptFribble 6y agoOne thing I don't hear mentioned very often in the "why would aliens bother coming here" debate, is a comparison of UFO behavior and our behavior with other species we study in remote locations. Consider the mountain gorillas in central Africa - we'll send a person out there to sit in the trees and take pictures, and if they catch a glimpse of the human, who cares? Meanwhile, the way we travel to the gorillas home, our cities, our whole way of life are totally unknown and even incomprehensible to the gorillas. What does a gorilla know of internal combustion, or tranquilizer darts, or digital cameras? If there are aliens visiting us, I imagine it's similar. Maybe they're just coming to take pictures and check out what the local tech-apes are up to for a research paper, and if one of the humans catches a glimpse of your spaceship, who cares? Even if they get a clear look at your ship, they have only a vague idea of how it works and what it's for. Maybe there's no aliens, but the universe is a big place and we barely understand it. Our comprehension of what's even physically and technologically possible changes every century. We're just apes who saw a land rover in the distance.
- reader_mode 6y agoThat's anthropomorphism to almost religious levels. I doubt you'd have the same drives and incentives as humans at such level of development.
- maybelsyrup 6y agoYes, it's "anthropomorphism". It's an analogy.
- CptFribble 6y agoThat's my point - I usually see talk of aliens dismissed with "if they're so advanced, why would they bother? Therefore it must be something else." We cast our own human drives and incentives on the aliens in that case. Similarly, a gorilla may stand on a mountain and look up at a plane, and think "if they're so advanced, why bother bringing that thing to my mountain? It must be an optical illusion." The gorilla doesn't understand the plane's purpose, design, or usage, yet dismisses it anyway based on a limited mental model of the universe. It's an imperfect analogy, but it's meant to show that while we all dismiss the concept of aliens because we can't fathom why an advanced race would use their technology just to visit a "lower" species, we actually do the same thing all the time - so maybe it's not as far outside the realm of possibility as we think.
- Inu 6y agoSometimes I get the impression that people who spend most of their day staring at screens seem significantly more sceptical of the idea on average than people who spend a lot of their time in aircraft traversing the skies.
- 1970-01-01 6y ago>or have been picked up by satellite imagery >The forthcoming report is to be issued by the defense department and intelligence agencies. It's 2021. I'm forever done with stories showing low resolution UFOs wobbling about. Will the public actually get defense grade, ultra high-resolution satellite images of UFOs or is this just another "report" saying something was caught on the lens of their 20 year old weather satellite?
- Isinlor 6y agoSome of the reports are supposed to be from multiple instruments. Obviously there will not be anything convincing, because if it was this would not be the way to release it.
- danlugo92 6y agoTake it with a grain of salt but one of the soldiers involved in the Nimitz incident says the videos released are of diminished quality compared to the originals.
- thelastinuit 6y agohttps://www.uaptheory.com/ https://www.uaptheory.com/
- gavinmckenzie 6y agoOne way for me to rationalize the possibility of some UFOs being alien tech is the possibility that they are drones — unmanned. Popular culture consideration of UFOs as alien craft seem to assume there are sentient beings inside, possibly due to the history of reported abduction experiences with little green or grey beings. But arguments against alien craft that question why they move so quickly with abrupt unnecessary direction changes, and lack of interaction with humans, to me could be explained by imagining that they are “unmanned” craft. No need for “inertial dampers” or other tech to deal with the hyper fast direction changes if there’s no beings inside.
- huge87 6y agoTo further your point, I like to imagine that whatever shows up on Earth is gonna be something like a von Neumann probe. Self replicating, probably AI. That would account for the vast distances a biological body couldn't travel, as well as the violent direction changes you're talking about.