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Based on all the information provided in this article, this article is premature to publish. The headline is accurate, as 'experts say', but lack of any indepen
by vibrio 6y ago
Based on all the information provided in this article, this article is premature to publish. The headline is accurate, as 'experts say', but lack of any independent support of data supporting the claim, makes this dubious (at best) to publish at this point.
- ppf 6y agoIf only the same standard were applied to all statements about Covid.
- CWuestefeld 6y agoOr, really, everything in the news.
- germinalphrase 6y agoBut... then... there would be less news.
- thitcanh 6y agoWouldn’t it be nice
- dekhn 6y agonobody wants to read the "Journal of Unsurprising Results Consistent With Evidence"
- staticautomatic 6y agoI do.
- acje 6y agoIs the quality degradation in news some variant of tragedy of the commons?
- ohhhhhh 6y agoJust thinking the same thing
- dt3ft 6y agoThis is the source article, with likely a lot more information: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mi...
- vibrio 6y agoper google translate, it may have more information but not more data, nor independent confirmation of the experts' opinions.
- nottorp 6y agoActually this is independent testing for the AZ vaccine. As in, the only testing not done by AZ themselves. It all depends on how you look at it...
- SiempreViernes 6y agoPretty sure all countries that distribute it have their own independent data sets, or are you suggesting AZ runs the health care systems across Europe?
- nottorp 6y agoI'm pretty sure it was approved only based on testing done by AZ themselves. So there were no "independent" tests when it was approved. As I said before, that's normal procedure for any medication, so we're arguing about the definition of "independent". Btw the case in Italy was autopsied and found to not have any blood clots. Edit: found a link in english for Italy https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2021/03/16/astrazeneca-teacher-died-of-heart-problem-autopsy_78f76602-6c95-44f2-b60a-1bd25674acd0.html https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2021/03/16/ast...
- y0ned4 6y agoI'm from Italy, and we had similar cases too: https://mantovauno.it/cronaca/non-ce-lha-fatta-il-carabiniere-colpito-da-trombosi-cerebrale-sara-disposta-lautopsia-per-far-luce-sulle-cause/ https://mantovauno.it/cronaca/non-ce-lha-fatta-il-carabinier...
- einarfd 6y agoDo remember that this expert is the person the premier Norwegian hospital picked as their spokesman for their press conference on this. So in essence what he says is the opinion of the Norwegian health care system, not just his own, about these cases. This isn't some random expert, giving an of the cuff opinion.
- ketamine__ 6y agoBut that's what I come to HN for.
- dekhn 6y agohes a clotting expert, not a COVID expert. So of course he sees clots everywhere. Are you sure he's the spokesman, or just making this claim as an independent researcher. There is nothing in the two articles I read saying this is an official position of the hospital.
- einarfd 6y agoYes I'm definitely sure he is speaking for the hospital, and that he was speaking at the hospitals press conference. This has been all over the news here in Norway, every news outlet treat this as legit, and from the hospital / government.
- dekhn 6y agoacknowledged. I did some more searching and found several articles where the hospital seemed directly involved.
- Barrin92 6y ago>hes a clotting expert, not a COVID expert. So of course he sees clots everywhere and while I'm sure that a cancer expert has a tendency to see cancer more than your average guy, I'd still rely on a cancer expert for an opinion on cancer this is a weird take. A clotting expert is supposed to comment on clotting issues, that this is a covid vaccine isn't even really relevant.
- hannob 6y agoThis is an issue under active discussion that is extremely relevant to basically everyone right now. That every information on this topic is preliminary should be obvious to every intelligent person. I appreciate reporting on the scientific discussion in such a case.
- dionian 6y agoIs there any independent support of data which contradicts the claim?
- statstutor 6y agoGovernments have taken the decision to pause vaccinations with AZ, on the basis of this emerging information. It's only right that we, the people, can see what our elected representatives are basing this decision (to pause) on. It makes sense to me.
- libertine 6y agoI'd say the timing was just right! A lot of media was already trying to frame all of this into a political problem, fueling conspiracy theories, and trying to destroy the credibility of European independent regulators. It's disgusting what happened in the past few days, casting doubt over regulators, doctors and scientists that were dealing directly with these cases and had hands-on data, thankfully there's transparency in these countries, and regulators are doing what they're supposed to be doing.
- cwhiz 6y ago"See, look, they knew it was dangerous but the MSM suppressed it." If you don't publish you feed conspiracy theorists. Better to transparently publish the information that you have.
- twirlock 6y ago>It's not real until I think it's politically expedient for it to be real
- brundolf 6y agoThe phrase "experts say" is often used in headlines where it may technically be true ("one or more experts personally believe X") but to the reader's mind it translates as "a majority consensus of the field's experts have agreed on X given new, relevant evidence". I don't think this dichotomy is accidental.
- milkrocks 6y agoBased on all the information available about this vaccine, this vaccine is premature to administer.