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Do you know what makes the ocean glow Do you know what makes the ocean glow When unwelcome guests, are making nuclear tests Are making nuclear tests

Do you know what makes the ocean glow Do you know what makes the ocean glow When unwelcome guests, are making nuclear tests Are making nuclear tests, are making nuclear tests Are making nuclear tests ... Let me be more specific, get out of the pacific Ki te la pacific, get out of the pacific Ki te la pacific https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZD8dA678ss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZD8dA678ss It's long past the time for the French to GTFO out of the Pacific. Decolonise and free the Tahitians and Kanaks.

bpodgursky 6y ago
You know these territories regularly vote on independence, right? https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/375335/tahiti-calls-for-independence-vote https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/375335/tahi... And the answer is usually "no", because most of these islands are poor and get net funding and support from France (or whatever other country holds sovereignty).
- boudin 6y ago
  If you're talking about New Caledonia it's as really biased view. It was a special agreement following a stron crisis with the Kanak independance mouvement that allowed to agree on 3 independance votes. There's a big difference in votes between the people from metropolitan France and a much stronger support for independance in the Kanak population. We'll see next year what's the result is going to be, but the last one was quite close. Other territories do not have the opportunity to vote on their independance.
  - orwin 6y ago
    Kanak and new Caledonia is a very hard problem to solve, for France but especially for residents. The issue is more about identity and origin than independance at that point (but freedom is nice to have in any case). The past referendum results mean nothing, they were not rejected because people did not want to be free, but because they don't know who they are. And an independence vote won't be like Brexit, France actually agreed to let new Caledonia resident keep their french passport and rights if they chose to go independent, the effective change will by that social services, police, healthcare will be run by New Caledonia people, but it won't change private rights until next generation. Its a hard question anyway. I've stayed a year in French polynesia small islands (and ocean, mostly ocean...), i'm pretty sure the only islands that want to leave are the ones with the international airports (and i'm not sure about Bora Bora, never went there). Those with offshore ressources especially don't seem to trust the independence party for whatever reason (it might have changed since then).
    - boudin 6y ago
      Identity and independance are quite tight together though, no? I think it was the idea behind having 3 referendums: to give people the time to think, debate and make their mind after having seen the bigger picture given by the vote (basically considering independance as a possible thing). I would think that being colonised, and for such a long time, is a really complex situation to deal with and has a deep impact on everything. As a white metropolitan french I feel the only right thing to do is to give colonised people the choice, the time to prepare for it and to not take any outcome personally. In regards to Mururoa I'm glad the actual impact is becoming public now. This is part of the many shameful things that we did in colonies, and, even if it's impossible to make things right, we should take responsibilities on all the consequences.
  - kergonath 6y ago
    Mururoa is not in New Caledonia. The situations of French Polynesia and New Caledonia are quite different for a whole bunch of reasons. I am not quite sure what you mean by “other territories do not have the opportunity to vote in their independence”. French Polynesia has its own parliament and government, which has been dominated by “independentists” for quite a while. Nothing is stopping them from holding a referendum every other year, just like in New Caledonia.
- markdown 6y ago
  > You know these territories regularly vote on independence, right? No. Tahiti doesn't get to vote on that. That news is old. New Caledonia has in the recent past very narrowly voted in favour of continued control by France, but that will change soon. For the first time, NC has a pro-independence government. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/975273437/new-caledonias-new-government-seen-as-significant-turning-point-in-the-pacific https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/975273437/new-caledonias-new-...

bpodgursky 6y ago

You know these territories regularly vote on independence, right? https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/375335/tahiti-calls-for-independence-vote https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/375335/tahi... And the answer is usually "no", because most of these islands are poor and get net funding and support from France (or whatever other country holds sovereignty).

boudin 6y ago
If you're talking about New Caledonia it's as really biased view. It was a special agreement following a stron crisis with the Kanak independance mouvement that allowed to agree on 3 independance votes. There's a big difference in votes between the people from metropolitan France and a much stronger support for independance in the Kanak population. We'll see next year what's the result is going to be, but the last one was quite close. Other territories do not have the opportunity to vote on their independance.
- orwin 6y ago
  Kanak and new Caledonia is a very hard problem to solve, for France but especially for residents. The issue is more about identity and origin than independance at that point (but freedom is nice to have in any case). The past referendum results mean nothing, they were not rejected because people did not want to be free, but because they don't know who they are. And an independence vote won't be like Brexit, France actually agreed to let new Caledonia resident keep their french passport and rights if they chose to go independent, the effective change will by that social services, police, healthcare will be run by New Caledonia people, but it won't change private rights until next generation. Its a hard question anyway. I've stayed a year in French polynesia small islands (and ocean, mostly ocean...), i'm pretty sure the only islands that want to leave are the ones with the international airports (and i'm not sure about Bora Bora, never went there). Those with offshore ressources especially don't seem to trust the independence party for whatever reason (it might have changed since then).
  - boudin 6y ago
    Identity and independance are quite tight together though, no? I think it was the idea behind having 3 referendums: to give people the time to think, debate and make their mind after having seen the bigger picture given by the vote (basically considering independance as a possible thing). I would think that being colonised, and for such a long time, is a really complex situation to deal with and has a deep impact on everything. As a white metropolitan french I feel the only right thing to do is to give colonised people the choice, the time to prepare for it and to not take any outcome personally. In regards to Mururoa I'm glad the actual impact is becoming public now. This is part of the many shameful things that we did in colonies, and, even if it's impossible to make things right, we should take responsibilities on all the consequences.
- kergonath 6y ago
  Mururoa is not in New Caledonia. The situations of French Polynesia and New Caledonia are quite different for a whole bunch of reasons. I am not quite sure what you mean by “other territories do not have the opportunity to vote in their independence”. French Polynesia has its own parliament and government, which has been dominated by “independentists” for quite a while. Nothing is stopping them from holding a referendum every other year, just like in New Caledonia.
markdown 6y ago
> You know these territories regularly vote on independence, right? No. Tahiti doesn't get to vote on that. That news is old. New Caledonia has in the recent past very narrowly voted in favour of continued control by France, but that will change soon. For the first time, NC has a pro-independence government. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/975273437/new-caledonias-new-government-seen-as-significant-turning-point-in-the-pacific https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/975273437/new-caledonias-new-...