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For how long? Every new generation of computer has been "woooo look how fast photoshop starts cold now! And Illustrator, so fast!" ... 6 months later <waaaaat
by keyle 6y ago
For how long?
Every new generation of computer has been "woooo look how fast photoshop starts cold now! And Illustrator, so fast!"
... 6 months later <waaaaat is it doing?!>
- thejohnconway 6y agoI swear Illustrator takes longer to launch now from a fast SSD than it did from a slow laptop HDD 15 years ago. Input latency is awful. Something's gone crazily wrong with the bloat in Adobe applications. I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago.
- dunnevens 6y agoI bought Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign CS2 a long time ago. Still use it since it's mostly for hobby and very occasional freelance. There's a tiny bit of jank running it on Windows 10, but otherwise it starts quickly and runs perfectly. The only thing I'd change if I could is to have a 64 bit version. This one chokes occasionally on very large files. But I don't deal with those enough to invest in the subscription.
- vetinari 6y agoFor Mac, CS2 was PowerPC binary. It ran on the first Intels with Rosetta, but that's not usable for a long time now. Mac users, if they want Photoshop, they must go for subscription.
- LegitShady 6y agoThere were a few versions of the suite in between CS2 and subscription. I have CS5 here non subscription. Wouldn't there be an equivelant on mac?
- Doctor_Fegg 6y agoCS6 was the last. But even on Intel processors, running it on Catalina or later is crash-prone and requires a fair bit of hacking around. The main problem is that there were still chunks of 32-bit code in there and macOS has stopped supporting that.
- martin_a 6y agoI feel this every time I start up my old Adobe CS4 on my private (somewhat older) Thinkpad. While the work notebook (Dell Latitude whatever) is faster than the Thinkpad, the current Adobe CC surely takes longer so start than the CS4.
- Ellipsis753 6y ago> I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago. Genuine question, can't you just install an old version of Illustrator?
- IntelMiner 6y agoNot anymore! Adobe has been taking the activation servers offline for its older products for some time now. Newer versions as I understand it are the service model "Creative Cloud" meanwhile
- throwaway743 6y agoYou can, just not an official version :/
- folkrav 6y agoSo... it was basically a subscription all along.
- throwaway743 6y agoOther issue is version compatability if you're working on a team
- vimy 6y ago> I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago. The iPad version?
- pentae 6y agoFigma? Sketch?
- Doctor_Fegg 6y agoThis. I'm keeping a Mac mini on Mojave specifically to run Illustrator CS6. The price of an Intel Mac mini on eBay is fairly competitive with 2 years of Illustrator CC payments.
- dbspin 6y agoBuy a USB cd ROM drive (around 30 dollars / euro), buy an old copy of illustrator, say 5 or 6. Use offline activation using the included code.
- tartoran 6y agoNo need for a drive, a virtual image would do as well
- user-the-name 6y agoAffinity Designer?
- kitsunesoba 6y agoYeah I know it varies from person to person but for me the addition of useful features I use with any regularity stopped at like… CS2. And if I’m being honest, I’d have no issue getting along with CS1 or even pre-CS 6.x/7.x.
- coldtea 6y agoHasn't been my experience. Photoshop, for all its clunky UI decisions (at some point it had Flash-driven panels too e.g.), has always been very fast, and fastest than the competition in large image processing.
- amelius 6y agoExactly. In the 90s PCs jumped from a few 100MHz to 3GHz in a few years. Now that was impressive. This on the other hand is just plain old evolution of technology.
- phaemon 6y agoI'm afraid you're remembering incorrectly. The Pentium 100Mhz was released in 1994. The last Pentium released in 1999 was the PIII 800Mhz. There wasn't a 3GHz release until 2010. And that's just clock speed. Compare any 2010 chip to something like a Ryzen 5800x and see how the benchmarks scores look.
- robin_reala 6y agoNo, no, much earlier than 2010. First 3GHz Pentium was 2002: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1031 https://www.anandtech.com/show/1031 . That’s only 8 years after the 100Mhz Pentium.
- phaemon 6y agoHuh, you're right, I must have been looking at the wrong line. Thanks! My point on comparing CPUs remains, and is even more pronounced against a 2002 CPU!
- anthk 6y agoThe gap from a Pentium with MMX and a Pentium 4 with SSE2 is many more times bigger than the first i3 to the current i7.
- tedunangst 6y agoThough people forget the 100mhz pentium was a 10W chip.
- canadianfella 6y ago“Few hundred Mhz” Pentium 2 came out in 1997 233MHz
- mhh__ 6y agoI also wonder whether a lot of M1 Anecdata is biased because it's a new computer at the end of the day
- Eric_WVGG 6y agoI suppose that would depend on how many of those machines were set up with Migration Assistant, which transfers nearly all the cruft from an old machine, all the way down to Homebrew packages and other CLI tools. Doesn’t really feel like a “new computer” when you’re greeted with the same desktop and console. My anecdata last weekend was 60% to 90% JavaScript benchmarks from a loaded 15” to an M1 Air, that coupled with no fans screaming at me sure felt new.
- tinus_hn 6y agoWhat Andy giveth, Bill taketh away https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law
- rhacker 6y agoI know it's a different thing, but my SSD based systems (at this point it's all of my systems) still boot in ~10 seconds.
- matthewmacleod 6y agoGenerally I dislike this kind of view and find it not to be true. But in this case… man, it feels like Adobe deliberately try to slow down Photoshop and the wider CS suite. I used to use these a lot back in early CS days, but I've used the trials recently and by far the biggest offenders are some of the bad UIs that they've slapped on top of things like creating new documents, or Photoshop's "Home Screen". They're slow as molasses, provide minimal useful features, and there is an explicit option to turn them off and use the legacy versions (usually a massive red flag to me that a feature is shite).
- ceejayoz 6y ago> there is an explicit option to turn them off and use the legacy versions I had no idea this existed. THANK YOU!
- AuryGlenz 6y agoThey changed their rendering engine for Photoshop a couple of years back and ever since it’s been slow as hell. I’m in Photoshop at least 20 hours a week and I’m still using Photoshop 2019.
- keyle 6y agoMan it's that bad I've literally stopped my Adobe subscription and moved on to Affinity products. It's 95% as good. (Better than how you'd compare DDG to Google for example). And so much cheaper. Also Adobe has so much crapware on my computer.
- jp555 6y agoI heard Jim Keller say on a podcast recently that many computation problems are N^2, so if unoptimized and run on silicon with 2x the transistors, it runs 4x slower.
- crazygringo 6y agoFifteen years ago Photoshop took 2-3 minutes to load on an average computer. These days it takes 8-15 seconds on a non-M1. Filters that used to take 50 seconds to run now finish in just a couple. The point you're making is true with some software. But not Photoshop.
- 1f60c 6y ago// TODO: Uncomment after keynote demo // Thread.Sleep(5000); /s
- Shadonototro 6y agoah the microsoft people, they are easy to spot :p