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The EU as a political union exists a little over a decade, if anything the UK never adapted to it.

asutekku 6y ago
But they benefited from the EU in a way which is no more possible.
HugoDaniel 6y ago
Mistaking the EU, the political union as an evolved form of the Rome treaty, with Euro, the coin. All that with the tone of absolute certainty and authority. Hacker News has reached new lows :(
- dataduck 6y ago
  Come on, that's not fair. The EEC was a very different beast to today's EU. The modern form of the EU could certainly be argued as starting with the Treaty of Lisbon.
  - orwin 6y ago
    Maastrich yes, Lisbon? It only set into laws stuff that were already existing and done, as well as provisioning for "unexpected stuff" (brexit art 50 was provisioned in the treaty of lisbon i think). But the treaty of Lisbon changed almost nothing in reality. At least, not enough to warrant the birth of "Modern EU"
    - dataduck 6y ago
      Perhaps Maastricht might be a better place to draw the line. But it's not like the changes at Lisbon were trivial; for example, changing unanimous voting to majority was a qualitative change in the character of the organization. My argument is that the GP by lanevorockz was pretty obviously referring to Lisbon, and that the reply by HugoDaniel seemed quite disingenuous in that light.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  That's one of the issues on the internet nowadays; people use their soapbox to present a thought as fact. Even if they're being called out on it and proven wrong, the statement is made and a seed is planted in someone's brain. It's like newspaper headlines that say X, but (have to) nuance it in the article itself. Except that Twitter doesn't support articles, so it's only headlines.
- deleted 6y ago
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- junippor 6y ago
  HN has always been bottom of the barrel. Bunch of people repeating memes to each other.
arkitaip 6y ago
You should teach history at college.
imtringued 6y ago
I hope this is a typo and you mean to write "The EUR as a monetary union". The euro is truly an unremarkable currency and I'm not sure that the EU would be much worse without it. It's equally likely that the EU would have done much better without the euro. I can't blame the UK for avoiding the euro.

But they benefited from the EU in a way which is no more possible.

Mistaking the EU, the political union as an evolved form of the Rome treaty, with Euro, the coin. All that with the tone of absolute certainty and authority. Hacker News has reached new lows :(

dataduck 6y ago
Come on, that's not fair. The EEC was a very different beast to today's EU. The modern form of the EU could certainly be argued as starting with the Treaty of Lisbon.
- orwin 6y ago
  Maastrich yes, Lisbon? It only set into laws stuff that were already existing and done, as well as provisioning for "unexpected stuff" (brexit art 50 was provisioned in the treaty of lisbon i think). But the treaty of Lisbon changed almost nothing in reality. At least, not enough to warrant the birth of "Modern EU"
  - dataduck 6y ago
    Perhaps Maastricht might be a better place to draw the line. But it's not like the changes at Lisbon were trivial; for example, changing unanimous voting to majority was a qualitative change in the character of the organization. My argument is that the GP by lanevorockz was pretty obviously referring to Lisbon, and that the reply by HugoDaniel seemed quite disingenuous in that light.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
That's one of the issues on the internet nowadays; people use their soapbox to present a thought as fact. Even if they're being called out on it and proven wrong, the statement is made and a seed is planted in someone's brain. It's like newspaper headlines that say X, but (have to) nuance it in the article itself. Except that Twitter doesn't support articles, so it's only headlines.
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junippor 6y ago
HN has always been bottom of the barrel. Bunch of people repeating memes to each other.

arkitaip 6y ago

You should teach history at college.

imtringued 6y ago

I hope this is a typo and you mean to write "The EUR as a monetary union". The euro is truly an unremarkable currency and I'm not sure that the EU would be much worse without it. It's equally likely that the EU would have done much better without the euro. I can't blame the UK for avoiding the euro.