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Playstation Plus is what lead to my eventual move to PC Gaming. I didn't (and still don't) see the benefit of having to pay monthly just to play games that I wa

Playstation Plus is what lead to my eventual move to PC Gaming. I didn't (and still don't) see the benefit of having to pay monthly just to play games that I want to play. At the time (ps3/4 era), most if not all the free games were all indy games and games I had no interest in playing. That meant that I was paying full price for games I wanted to play and I had to pay a monthly fee just to play online multiplayer (and internet of course). Moving to PC saved me something like 30$/month for something that gave me little to no value. If the future of gaming is a subscription model, I'd rather just stop gaming.

Aardwolf 6y ago
I've always been a PC gamer, on Linux mostly (Steam enables so much). After enjoying a SNES mini for a while, I considered maybe it could simplify life by getting a dedicated modern console rather than use PC, for playing the latest games. However, then reading about how modern consoles are online connected and let you wait while they auto-download updates, makes it look exactly like PC, so not adding any value. So PC gamer I stay :)
- killtimeatwork 6y ago
  Also, historically consoles promised high quality technical experience - no major bugs and consistent high FPS, while currently it's no longer guaranteed. It's basically PC gaming without the hassle of GPU driver incompatibilities.
  - scaladev 6y ago
    When was that? I spent quite a bit of time on PS1, then PS3, and then PS4, and enjoyed my share of that sweet 24 FPS "cinematic" experience. That heavy post-processing as an attempt to hide the (sometimes extremely) low texture resolution. The atrocious load times. Never again.
    - killtimeatwork 6y ago
      The pre-3d era (SNES etc.) was perfect. Meanwhile on PC you were fighting IRQ conflicts and HIMEM.SYS etc.
- sandworm101 6y ago
  >> so not adding any value. Adding nothing and removing much. I have yet to see a console that can handle mods properly. There is no greater sin for a console developer than to allowing the player to edit game files. That road leads to cheating and piracy. I don't think Minecraft would have become what it did without mods, without the creativity displayed by PC gamers.
Noos 6y ago
You really don't see the benefit of paying USA $60 to rent 24 high quality games a year indefinitely? I mean really? thats almost a $1000 value. I mean literally, you will get more games (and AAA ones too) for pennies. I have PS plus, and they throw games at you. It's a problem because it probably suppresses people's desire to buy new games; like why buy control at launch when chances are it hits plus later?
- FpUser 6y ago
  Why would I give a hoot about that $1000 value. It only exists in the heads of corporate people who are trying to hook me up. The only thing that matters to me would be do I like games X,Y,Z and how much am I willing to pay for it.
  - Noos 6y ago
    You pay less with plus for most of the games. Like I paid $60 for the PS4 Final Fantasy 7 remake, when I could have waited and paid what works out to be $2. They threw it on PS plus. Like I literally at one point got 6 games a month from it, since they gave them away for ps3, ps4, and ps vita. You literally pay the cost of one AAA game to get access to 24 for a year or more. If you think it's not a value, you're mistaken.
    - benrbray 6y ago
      If you're the kind of person who wants to play the entire PlayStation catalog, I can see the value. For me, I paid for PS plus just to play Battlefield One. I downloaded the plus games every month (when I remembered to) and most of them didn't really interest me (e.g. Just Cause and Batman I just didn't enjoy after giving them a shot).
      - Noos 6y ago
        Looking at my PS Plus library. Read only 2064 memories Amnesia Collection Absolver All three Bioshock games Bloodborne Cities: Skyline Conan Exiles Control Day of the Tentacle Dead by Daylight Fall Guys God of war 3 Guacamelee Metal Gear Solid V Nioh Rise of the Tomb Raider Soma Uncharted 4 What remains of edith finch Yakuza Kiwami If I wasnt already conditioned to buy physical games i'd legit not need to buy one ever. It's not like they throw junk at you.
eafkuor 6y ago
The good news is that you have about 3 decades worth of great games (1990 to 2020 roughly) to enjoy for the rest of your life
- brobdingnagians 6y ago
  Totally agree with this. There are a huge number of good old games with great re-playability. There are lots of great new games too, but sometimes it is worth diving into the old stuff to find an oldie-but-goodie. I played Gothic 2 for the first time a couple years ago and loved it.
  - RcrdBrt 6y ago
    Long live the nameless hero fellow Piranha Bytes customer!
alexgmcm 6y ago
As a counterpoint I got an Xbox Series X because the cost of building a decent gaming computer has become ridiculous. Just the GPU would cost me as much as the whole console and as my desktop PC has an ancient motherboard, RAM, CPU etc. I'd have to replace everything. The Game Pass has been a pretty good deal so far, but I agree that having to pay just for online multiplayer is ridiculous and of course they could jack up the Game Pass price tomorrow and I'd have little recourse. Quick Resume and being able to play on the sofa is decent as well when I don't have much time. The main thing I miss is all the smaller games like Valheim etc. especially since AAA games have become less appealing as they just seem like time-sinks aimed to optimise "engagement".
- vsareto 6y ago
  There's some cards which lasted a while (1080 Ti, or the Titan cards, probably the high end 3x series and AMD's equivalent), but consoles are made obsolete pretty regularly. It's more worthwhile if you haven't already bought a work/life non-gaming PC though or need to upgrade that. If you don't have a good TV for the console, that might be an additional cost. Can't beat the ergonomics of chilling on your couch with a controller, but you could set that up with a PC if you really wanted to.
- Grimm1 6y ago
  To be fair we're in one of the worst chip shortages in a long time, GPUs are supposed to be like 3-600 for low to early high range. Still one of the most expensive parts for sure but right now is especially atypical.
  - Hinrik 6y ago
    >To be fair we're in one of the worst chip shortages in a long time, GPUs are supposed to be like 3-600 for low to early high range. What's your point exactly? The recently released PS5 and Xbox Series X had launch prices of $400-$500 in the U.S. So, even without the chip shortage, GP's point about the GPU alone costing more than a console still stands.
    - 6y ago
0-_-0 6y ago
How much did your PC cost? What games do you play?
m463 6y ago
They say in the article: > For Xbox this coming generation is about "going beyond the console," as Ahmad says, "and really trying to reach as many people on mobile and PC" as possible. ugh
- elliekelly 6y ago
  I have nothing but good things to say about the Xbox game pass but I absolutely loathe the recent push for Xbox (and even Steam) to become some sort of social media platform. Sure, sometimes its fun to play with friends but quite often I just want to be left alone while I play and recently that seems to be (intentionally) more and more difficult.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    All products evolve to contain a social network, or are replaced by those that can.
    - theandrewbailey 6y ago
      Newell's corollary to Zawinski's Law?

Aardwolf 6y ago

I've always been a PC gamer, on Linux mostly (Steam enables so much). After enjoying a SNES mini for a while, I considered maybe it could simplify life by getting a dedicated modern console rather than use PC, for playing the latest games. However, then reading about how modern consoles are online connected and let you wait while they auto-download updates, makes it look exactly like PC, so not adding any value. So PC gamer I stay :)

killtimeatwork 6y ago
Also, historically consoles promised high quality technical experience - no major bugs and consistent high FPS, while currently it's no longer guaranteed. It's basically PC gaming without the hassle of GPU driver incompatibilities.
- scaladev 6y ago
  When was that? I spent quite a bit of time on PS1, then PS3, and then PS4, and enjoyed my share of that sweet 24 FPS "cinematic" experience. That heavy post-processing as an attempt to hide the (sometimes extremely) low texture resolution. The atrocious load times. Never again.
  - killtimeatwork 6y ago
    The pre-3d era (SNES etc.) was perfect. Meanwhile on PC you were fighting IRQ conflicts and HIMEM.SYS etc.
sandworm101 6y ago
>> so not adding any value. Adding nothing and removing much. I have yet to see a console that can handle mods properly. There is no greater sin for a console developer than to allowing the player to edit game files. That road leads to cheating and piracy. I don't think Minecraft would have become what it did without mods, without the creativity displayed by PC gamers.

Noos 6y ago

You really don't see the benefit of paying USA $60 to rent 24 high quality games a year indefinitely? I mean really? thats almost a $1000 value. I mean literally, you will get more games (and AAA ones too) for pennies. I have PS plus, and they throw games at you. It's a problem because it probably suppresses people's desire to buy new games; like why buy control at launch when chances are it hits plus later?

FpUser 6y ago
Why would I give a hoot about that $1000 value. It only exists in the heads of corporate people who are trying to hook me up. The only thing that matters to me would be do I like games X,Y,Z and how much am I willing to pay for it.
- Noos 6y ago
  You pay less with plus for most of the games. Like I paid $60 for the PS4 Final Fantasy 7 remake, when I could have waited and paid what works out to be $2. They threw it on PS plus. Like I literally at one point got 6 games a month from it, since they gave them away for ps3, ps4, and ps vita. You literally pay the cost of one AAA game to get access to 24 for a year or more. If you think it's not a value, you're mistaken.
  - benrbray 6y ago
    If you're the kind of person who wants to play the entire PlayStation catalog, I can see the value. For me, I paid for PS plus just to play Battlefield One. I downloaded the plus games every month (when I remembered to) and most of them didn't really interest me (e.g. Just Cause and Batman I just didn't enjoy after giving them a shot).
    - Noos 6y ago
      Looking at my PS Plus library. Read only 2064 memories Amnesia Collection Absolver All three Bioshock games Bloodborne Cities: Skyline Conan Exiles Control Day of the Tentacle Dead by Daylight Fall Guys God of war 3 Guacamelee Metal Gear Solid V Nioh Rise of the Tomb Raider Soma Uncharted 4 What remains of edith finch Yakuza Kiwami If I wasnt already conditioned to buy physical games i'd legit not need to buy one ever. It's not like they throw junk at you.

eafkuor 6y ago

The good news is that you have about 3 decades worth of great games (1990 to 2020 roughly) to enjoy for the rest of your life

brobdingnagians 6y ago
Totally agree with this. There are a huge number of good old games with great re-playability. There are lots of great new games too, but sometimes it is worth diving into the old stuff to find an oldie-but-goodie. I played Gothic 2 for the first time a couple years ago and loved it.
- RcrdBrt 6y ago
  Long live the nameless hero fellow Piranha Bytes customer!

alexgmcm 6y ago

As a counterpoint I got an Xbox Series X because the cost of building a decent gaming computer has become ridiculous. Just the GPU would cost me as much as the whole console and as my desktop PC has an ancient motherboard, RAM, CPU etc. I'd have to replace everything. The Game Pass has been a pretty good deal so far, but I agree that having to pay just for online multiplayer is ridiculous and of course they could jack up the Game Pass price tomorrow and I'd have little recourse. Quick Resume and being able to play on the sofa is decent as well when I don't have much time. The main thing I miss is all the smaller games like Valheim etc. especially since AAA games have become less appealing as they just seem like time-sinks aimed to optimise "engagement".

vsareto 6y ago
There's some cards which lasted a while (1080 Ti, or the Titan cards, probably the high end 3x series and AMD's equivalent), but consoles are made obsolete pretty regularly. It's more worthwhile if you haven't already bought a work/life non-gaming PC though or need to upgrade that. If you don't have a good TV for the console, that might be an additional cost. Can't beat the ergonomics of chilling on your couch with a controller, but you could set that up with a PC if you really wanted to.
Grimm1 6y ago
To be fair we're in one of the worst chip shortages in a long time, GPUs are supposed to be like 3-600 for low to early high range. Still one of the most expensive parts for sure but right now is especially atypical.
- Hinrik 6y ago
  >To be fair we're in one of the worst chip shortages in a long time, GPUs are supposed to be like 3-600 for low to early high range. What's your point exactly? The recently released PS5 and Xbox Series X had launch prices of $400-$500 in the U.S. So, even without the chip shortage, GP's point about the GPU alone costing more than a console still stands.
  - 6y ago

0-_-0 6y ago

How much did your PC cost? What games do you play?

m463 6y ago

They say in the article: > For Xbox this coming generation is about "going beyond the console," as Ahmad says, "and really trying to reach as many people on mobile and PC" as possible. ugh

elliekelly 6y ago
I have nothing but good things to say about the Xbox game pass but I absolutely loathe the recent push for Xbox (and even Steam) to become some sort of social media platform. Sure, sometimes its fun to play with friends but quite often I just want to be left alone while I play and recently that seems to be (intentionally) more and more difficult.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  All products evolve to contain a social network, or are replaced by those that can.
  - theandrewbailey 6y ago
    Newell's corollary to Zawinski's Law?