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I've referred to entirely-female groups of people as "you guys". It seemed like a better bet than "hey ladies", and I'm not southern enough to pull off "y'all"
by refenestrator 6y ago
I've referred to entirely-female groups of people as "you guys". It seemed like a better bet than "hey ladies", and I'm not southern enough to pull off "y'all".
- jonwachob91 6y agoI'm not southern either, I'm from Central Florida [0] and we use Y'all often. I believe in your ability to use Y'all too! Embrace Y'all :) [0] There's a joke in Florida that the further north you go, the more south you are. The further south you go, the more north you are. It's 100% true too.
- rriepe 6y agoYes, that's how you fit in in Silicon Valley. Signal that you're from the South.
- da_big_ghey 6y agoIt is only once I hear y'all from woke people that I start to understand why people dislike so-called "cultural appropriation". It is cringey and weird-sounding to me. And also if you were to speak to these same people saying "y'all" in any southern accent you would be seen as uneducated.
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- azinman2 6y agoAnd you’d be surprised at the number of people who (validly) don’t like this but won’t speak up about it. I know women in tech who tell me this exact behavior feels constantly degrading and makes them want to leave tech. There are alternatives in English other than y’all, such as “team” or “everyone” or “all”.
- refenestrator 6y agoThis isn't a tech thing, it's an english language thing. Are women in finance degraded by this extremely common linguistic quirk? Women in medicine?
- azinman2 6y agoI’m sure they are as well, especially if they’re in a heavily male dominated field. I can only speak of tech and what I’ve personally learned about.
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- azinman2 6y agoI find it hilarious (and sad) that I'm being downvoted because women have told me that they don't like being referred to as a guy when they're not one, and its one of the many ways that the 'default male' attributes of tech take a toll on them.
- manfredo 6y agoPlenty of women have told me they don't think "guys" is gendered at all. Most (all?) of the women in my office use it irrespective of gender. Maybe it's because you're asserting your anecdotal experience as truth, when it's not at all representative of most other people's experience.
- azinman2 6y agoI never said all (or even most!) women feel this way, I said 'you'd be surprised at the number'.
- caddemon 6y agoAnother personal anecdote, but not only do I consider "guys" gender neutral, but I found it kind of alienating when a few people clearly stopped saying "guys" shortly after I joined the team. I was the only woman on the team that summer (internship), and I think they were just trying to be nice, but I don't like when attention is called to gender in the workplace. The more (actively) aware I am of being "different", the more it impacts interactions.
- hshshs2 6y agoall y’all is great no matter where you come from
- listenallyall 6y agostrongly agree
- Buttons840 6y agoTry the inferior version of y'all, "you all".
- Shared404 6y agoAlternately, "you lot".
- respondo2134 6y agothat seems negative like "you people", as in a sterotyped grouping of a bunch of individuals, vs. just a group of people
- Shared404 6y agoThere's a bit of overlap. Y'all is usually positive, but can be negative "What on earth did y'all do now?!?", and "you lot" leans negative, but can be used positively "Alright you lot, lets get it done". Tone of voice is extremely important in both examples.
- aksss 6y ago> “What on earth did y'all do now?!?" Y’all isn’t what makes that negative. It would be just as negative if you swapped in any other pronoun (you, he, she, I, it, etc).
- hnick 6y agoOr the inferior(?) version of "you all", "youse".
- Buttons840 6y agoDid you just call me a "se"? (Since we're on the subject of pronouns.)
- hnick 6y ago
- Shared404 6y agoAm southern. Please use y'all. Y'all who don't use it don't know what y'all are missing.
- respondo2134 6y ago>> don't know what y'all are missing shouldn't this be "don't know what y'all is missing"?
- Shared404 6y agoPossibly, depending on regional dialect. Also acceptable is "what y'all're" or "what-y'all're". Edit" also "t'y'all're". Note that many of these sound much better said then they look written.
- api 6y agoPittsburgh also has "yinz."
- mrkstu 6y agoIn Texas it’s ‘what all’y’all are missing’
- mbg721 6y ago"Y'all" is the Latin tu/tui/tibi/te/te, and "All y'all" is vos/vestri/vobis/vos/vobis, right?
- pseudalopex 6y agoY'all can be singular or plural. All y'all is plural.
- eru 6y agoJust use 'you' and revert to 'thou' and 'thee' (depending on context) for addressing individuals.
- katbyte 6y agoThere are plenty of other alternatives (folk, team, mates, friends, pals) - please realize there are a lot of women who are bothered by it and don't feel they can speak up about it.
- unethical_ban 6y agoYou really are pushing the idea that all conversations should be altered so that no one is offended, for any reason however silly, ever. Because if they say it's offensive and attributes it to their identity, one cannot argue back.
- katbyte 6y agowhy is it so hard to respect what people want to be called and referred to as? It's no different than someone with the name William wants to be referred to as Will, but you stubbornly keep referring to them as William because its their legal name and i can damnit!!!! Just acknowledge it and move on with your life.
- unethical_ban 6y agoBecause it is exhausting, and constant, and I believe rife with the chance at abuse in bad faith by those who want to feel constantly relevant and woke by redefining the lexicon.
- katbyte 6y agoyour comment comes off as very condescending - you could have left out everything after "bad faith" and made a better argument - ever think how exhausting it is for people on the other side day in and out? and your complaining about having to not say a couple words? it's literally the least you can do and one step removed from doing nothing.
- axaxs 6y agoWhen I was a kid, I couldn't pronounce R's and used to be teased endlessly. Should I demand words with r be banished because they made me uncomfortable? I didn't even know that was an option. I'm not sure this is the hill I want to die on, but where is the line? How few or many people have to feel a certain way to effect change?
- cout 6y agoYou'uns is a viable alternative as well.
- rectang 6y agoI've been using "folks" and "y'all" for several years, and I've from the northeast and live in San Diego now. It's not a big deal. Maybe it helps that although I'm very socially liberal, my stereotype of "people who say y'all" is "subtle and witty"?
- bitwize 6y agoThe correct form is "folx". Spelling words with an "x" is more inclusive toward marginalized groups, particularly LGBTQIA+, despite there not being an "x" in there. See also womxn, Latinx, etc.
- andygcook 6y agoTwitch received quite a lot of backlash two days ago for using the term womxn. The sentiment was that it isn't inclusive and is instead transphobic, because it separates trans/non-binary women from other women. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56251452 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56251452
- apple4ever 6y agoIts gotten so bad I can't tell if this is parody or not.
- silverpepsi 6y agoreferring to a group of females as "you guys" has been the best way to express non-sexism through the 2000s in my view. It's like brazenly saying, "I refuse to make anything of your gender, nor would I think your gender means I should hold a door for you, because again I'm not even thinking about the existence of gender." If we lose that usage, I'll be culturally lost and disoriented.
- souprock 6y agoIn the lyrics for Candyman's "Knockin’ Boots" we find a possibility: "All ya'll girlies next to me" Give it a try. Let us know how it goes.