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About 5 years ago a friend of mine was saying, "yeah, it's bad at the universities but it doesn't affect the real world." Pretty funny how quickly things accele
by jeffreyrogers 6y ago
About 5 years ago a friend of mine was saying, "yeah, it's bad at the universities but it doesn't affect the real world." Pretty funny how quickly things accelerated. I'd like to get off this ride.
- vyhd 6y agoWhat data did your friend use to come to that conclusion? Would you be willing to share so we can come to our own conclusions based on the evidence presented?
- fuzxi 6y agoCan you participate in one (1) conversation without asking for data or studies? Obviously he doesn't have a list of articles his friend used to make an offhand comment.
- vyhd 6y agoI wouldn't call it "obvious" that someone would accept another's opinion without any info to back it up and then extol it, though it's very interesting to me that you did.
- fuzxi 6y agoI didn't accept or reject his opinion. I pointed out that you're acting like an unsocialized ass when you say shit like "Wow, got a source for what some other guy based his comment on 5 years ago?"
- prepend 6y agoI don’t understand GP’s comments. It’s like they are so obstinate or cargo cult fixated on a good idea and messed it up so badly to think that asking for evidence is appropriate everywhere. “Do you have data to support your stated preference for chocolate ice cream?”
- neltnerb 6y agoI have substantial historical evidence that I prefer chocolate ice cream to cherry, alas it is unpublished unless you count grocery receipts. :-)
- fuzxi 6y agoA lot of people have cottoned on to how important hard evidence is for forming informed opinions. Unfortunately, many of them have yet to learn that you can judge a conclusion on its own merit without a bibliography of every idea that led to it. It's really off-putting.
- ryandrake 6y agoIt's called Sealioning[1] and it's a well known form of trolling. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
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- snicksnak 6y agoThis hypersensitivity all started at universities. Eventually those bubble-wrapped students will enter the workforce and eventually will end up in higher positions in HR or PR departments driving those decisions. No surprise there.
- at_a_remove 6y agoThey don't call it "the long march through the institutions" for nothin'.
- Clewza313 6y agos/will/has already/, as anybody who's worked at a FAANG in the past 5 years can attest.
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoHonestly it’s becoming unbearable.
- fumar 6y agoAs someone who grew up in the 90's. I do feel a bit "older" and more conservative even though I never considered myself that way. It makes me take a step back and realize that our belief systems tend to stagnate and I can only imagine how radical my college or high school beliefs may have seemed to older folk.
- TedDoesntTalk 6y agoNow imagine someone who grew up in the 70s or 60s. They must feel like complete strangers in this new world.
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- refurb 6y agoYup. The adults in the room should have nipped this crap in the bud but instead they entertained it. Now it’s a much bigger problem to solve. Check out SFUSD renaming racists schools like “Lincoln High”. Eventually parents had start a recall effort to end it.
- birdyrooster 6y agoPretty sure they tabled it for now but it definitely did not end.
- zwily 6y agoThey voted a month ago to move forward. I haven’t seen anything about it tabled - do you have a link?
- birdyrooster 6y agohttps://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/sf-school-board-tables-renaming-effort-to-focus-on-reopening/2473776/?amp https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/sf-school-board-tables...
- markdown 6y agoDo you mean shelved? Tabled means it's been put forth for discussion and action.
- lionsdan 6y agoDepends where you live https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(parliamentary_procedure) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(parliamentary_procedure...
- pseudalopex 6y agoTabled means shelved in American English.
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- brailsafe 6y agoEventually those people graduate
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoAnd it's not like we haven't seen the same pattern before with the Weather Underground. (I do feel obligated to acknowledge that I was one of those people on the "just in the universities" train 5 years ago, so I'm not accusing anyone of a mistake I haven't made myself.)
- brailsafe 6y agoI feel like I'm out of the loop on this. Could you elaborate?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoThe Weather Underground was founded by students from the University of Michigan, who spent their college years arguing that people should violently resist the government. When they graduated, they didn't moderate out of these ideas; they doubled down, started an organized bombing campaign, and successfully hit targets including Capitol Hill and the Pentagon.
- api 6y agoUnfortunately your only choices today are this or overt neo-Naziism. You have to stake out the most extreme, divisive, fanatical position possible. If you try to be nuanced and rational you get attacked by both sides. I think social media has a lot to do with it. We created a global communication medium and then programmed it to prioritize the most "engaging" content, which is of course the most triggering and controversial content. I'm wondering how long it will be before people are literally setting themselves on fire for likes and views. Oh wait... https://www.the-sun.com/news/1903978/youtuber-kills-pregnant-girlfriend-livestream-sub-zero-balcony-abuse/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/1903978/youtuber-kills-pregnant... Nope, we're basically there already.
- shortandsweet 6y agoWhy not be attacked by both sides? Why not live your morals and not desire to be in a group?
- vinger 6y agoIt's tiring.
- sokoloff 6y agoClose the tiring tabs. Seriously, the amount of “this” that I see online is 100x what I see in real-life (per interaction). Outrage engagement drives it and if you have found yourself tired of arguing with people you’ve never shared a meal with, just close the tab. Let them be outraged without you. As often happens, Randall has nailed it: https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/
- HarryHirsch 6y agoHave you seen the recent article in the NY Times about labour relations at Smith College, where a black woman who graduated from an elite Connecticut prep school managed to get four local employees fired over allegations of racism and sicced her Twitter army on them? There was an external investigation that found no fault with the fired employees and no systemic racism, yet the solution was to implement sensitivity training for the staff. Me? I was told by a genderqueer woman at a sister college of Smith during a job interview that she does not get along with older men. My wife? She is a faculty member at another Amherst area college and was told by a colleague that she is held in high regard because she is BIPOC. That is shit so tasteless that you can't make it up, so it must be true. The atmosphere at colleges in the Northeast is fucked up beyond description, and playing ostrich is just that, hiding from reality. Unfortunately, reality won't change anytime soon.
- markdown 6y agoAre you sure it was your friend? This is a Jordan Petersen meme, and I believe a quote from one of his podcasts or interviews.
- Igelau 6y agoGaslighting much?
- markdown 6y agoGaslighting? That's a big word. You should find out what it means before you use it so. I've heard almost the exact quote three times on different episodes of the Joe Rogan podcast.
- Igelau 6y agoYou're trying to make parent doubt their own memory. The only out you have that distinguishes that from gaslighting is that you weren't being subtle about it.
- strangeattractr 6y agoYou've heard something three times on one of the most popular podcasts in the world? Well that settles it, his friend definitely can't have said it then.
- lr4444lr 6y agoAndrew Sullivan coined the idea most popularly, I think, as, "we're all on campus now".
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- arduanika 6y ago> this ride Oh the places we'll go.
- christophilus 6y agoNot in a car. Not in a train. Not in a boat. You cannot buy these books. You cannot buy them, Sam I am.
- AshWolfy 6y agoI dont think anyone who ever said this actually talked to university students
- jasonv 6y agoI disabled my Twitter account tonight. I’m pretty sure my HN account will be next. I’m not going to solve this, but I won’t drown in it either.