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We’re removing ads from Plato
- JohnJamesRambo 6y agoHow does Plato make money?
- m47h4r 6y agoProbably selling user's data? If there's one thing I learned, it is that it's almost always the "too good to be true" scenario.
- grk 6y agoThere are in-app purchases for coins, so I guess that's how?
- btzo 6y agoa model similar to the one used by reddit, you buy coins that release new skins in the games
- II2II 6y agoThey aren't exactly clear on that, though they seem to imply they are looking for other revenue streams: > As a heads up, in the future we may partner with like-minded companies, but any sponsorships will not involve the sharing of your data. It is easy to be cynical about statements regarding the protection privacy these days since many of claims are so distorted that they should be treated as outright lies. On the other hand, there are people behind every business and it is possible those people have become uncomfortable with what they are doing. They may be willing to make some compromises until they find a solution which fits their values. Alas, the problem lays in figuring out whether the latter is true.
- bambax 6y agoIt would be good if somewhere on the blog one could learn what is Plato??
- blacktulip 6y agoIt is not even on the main website (https://www.platoapp.com/ https://www.platoapp.com/). The only text is "Your space to hang out, find fun & new friends"
- nrb 6y agoLooks like what used to exist as Yahoo! Games a really long time ago: chat rooms + multiplayer games.
- notRobot 6y agoThat's exactly what it is
- pratio 6y agoYeah, I had the same question. Here's a video that I looked up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2q5XR2Mfk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2q5XR2Mfk
- amelius 6y agoGreek philosopher who was first in figuring out that ads are a net loss for society and the planet.
- bartvk 6y agoThey talk about how "current mainstream ads technology has become a pseudo-surveillance system", but I feel the same mistrust for crash reporter SDKs on iOS and Android. Unless it's an open source library, I'm very careful to include it in projects.
- sgtfrankieboy 6y agoIn a lot of cases crash report SDKs are open source? Sentry: https://github.com/getsentry/sentry-java https://github.com/getsentry/sentry-java Bugsnag: https://github.com/bugsnag/bugsnag-android https://github.com/bugsnag/bugsnag-android Exceptionless: https://github.com/exceptionless/opentelemetry-dotnet https://github.com/exceptionless/opentelemetry-dotnet Rollbar: https://github.com/rollbar/rollbar-apple https://github.com/rollbar/rollbar-apple Raygun: https://github.com/MindscapeHQ/raygun4android https://github.com/MindscapeHQ/raygun4android To just name a few.
- yarcob 6y agoIt's why we rolled our own crash reporting solution (based on PLCrashReporter). We don't want opaque 3rd party code in our apps. There's a reason why those frameworks and services are "free", and it's not because they are operated by a non-profit organisation.
- jefftk 6y agoCrash reporting services are generally not free; once you pass a pretty low level of usage you pay to keep using them. Ex: https://sentry.io/pricing/ https://sentry.io/pricing/ https://rollbar.com/pricing/ https://rollbar.com/pricing/
- yarcob 6y agoI thought that there were a couple of free options for iOS/macOS, but to be honest I haven't looked into it for a couple of years, our in house solution is good enough.
- ericholscher 6y agoI don't love ads, so if you goal is to just not have ads on your product, I get it. We had the same choice on Read the Docs, but didn't really have any other way to make money. We decided to build Ethical Ads, so that we could be proud of the ads we show, knowing we weren't adding to massive pool of data out there. I talked a bit more about it here: https://www.ericholscher.com/blog/2016/aug/31/funding-oss-marketing-money/ https://www.ericholscher.com/blog/2016/aug/31/funding-oss-ma... We talk about what ethical advertising is here: https://www.ethicalads.io/advertising-vision/ https://www.ethicalads.io/advertising-vision/ -- and if you're building a dev-focused site, know that you have an option if you want monetization without sacrificing your values.
- Nullabillity 6y agoAdvertising itself is inherently unethical, surveillance or not.
- zepto 6y agoIs it? I would agree with you that 99% of advertising may be compromised, but it isn’t clear to me that it’s inherent. If I say “I will be paid $5 if I tell you about the positive experience I have had with product X, would you like to hear about it?”, what is unethical about that? Can you elaborate on your logic?
- notafraudster 6y agoI'm not the person you responded to, but I view this scenario as unethical because you felt it was appropriate to profit off wasting my time -- even under the veneer of politely asking, for the same reason that there any other number of things you can politely ask to do but should know better than to ask to do -- and didn't even think the share the profit with me (at a minimum with the majority share being mine, since clearly you value your time less than I value mine, otherwise you wouldn't be giving me an advertising pitch). Your scenario has the appearance, more or less, of a not especially pushy door to door salesman. Don't knock on my door. Leave me alone. You know no one wants their door knocked on. Leave everyone alone.
- drewcoo 6y agoI did a double take. There are ads on PLATO[1]? Do they do monochrome graphics in TUTOR[2}? No, it's social media. Sigh. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLATO_(computer_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLATO_(computer_system) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUTOR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUTOR