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Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation
- Causality1 6y agoMultiple-citizenship has always been fascinating to me. For example, most countries oaths of citizenship are worded in such a way that preclude loyalty split between them and another, yet they don't prevent or punish their citizens for holding dual citizenship.
- techsupporter 6y agoMy understanding of citizenship is that it's a relatively modern invention that a person could have more than one citizenship. The oaths you mention are holdovers from the time when citizenship meant fealty to a specific ruler in exchange for lifelong protection and sanctuary. To have more than one citizenship would be impossible, since you can only be "supremely loyal" to a single sovereign. These days, since citizenship is more an operation of law from a nation state and less a particular privilege granted by a ruling individual, such loyalty is less required. The vast majority of countries consider someone who has multiple citizenships, including the one of the country in which they are in, to be a citizen of solely that country (e.g. if you are a dual citizen of the United States and Australia and you are standing in the United States, the U.S. only recognizes your U.S. citizenship). Some countries, like Germany, still actively try to discourage the practice, though even Germany is becoming less strident. If you are a German citizen and you naturalize in any other (non-EU or EEA country or Switzerland), you automatically lose your German citizenship by operation of law unless you asked for permission to retain it. But getting permission has become progressively easier, and Germany does not make a person who is born with German citizenship and another citizenship choose by a certain age. It is something of an interesting topic, for sure, though it's very easy to fall down the dark well of conspiracy theorists (some Germans believe you are not a Proper German Citizen unless you have the goldenrod-colored A4 form declaring you to be so) and nation state abolitionists (not saying I disagree with the latter, but it is a very short trip from there to "I am a human and also a corporate person separate from my corporeal being").
- senux 6y agoI'm no expert, but anecdotally I can tell that the idea that the oaths are holdovers doesn't quite apply to the US. Their oath is worded in such a way that you very clearly have to give up loyalty to any other country state, but the US was never governed by a single monarch/ruler (after independence of course).
- tenpies 6y agoThe Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. The statement is quite literally "the very ground we're standing on doesn't even belong to us, but here we are saying that you are a citizen of . . . clearly not the land". Their demographic experiment is also very interesting. About 10% of all Canadians don't actually live in Canada - that is an extremely large ratio. It is also a growing number, and as housing prices and lack of economic opportunity continue to drag, more Canadians leave. At the same time, the Canadian government is desperate to ignore these issues, and just bringing as many immigrants as possible so they can prop the housing market since it is the last bastion of their economy and accounts for a third of GDP when you factor in related services and industries. That was pre-COVID so now it's quite likely to be even larger. It's a generational revolving door of immigrating, getting citizenship, and then watching your kids emigrate. I suspect that within our lifetimes we'll see >50% of Canadians actually live outside of Canada. Being Canadian will be a sort of administrative identity more than anything resembling a citizenship.
- cinquemb 6y ago> Being Canadian will be a sort of administrative identity more than anything resembling a citizenship. This is pretty much how my US citizenship is now after living abroad for about 6 years and having a long term bearish outlook on NA, EU, China, Japan (demographics, sovereign/corp debt + real yields).
- btilly 6y agoThe Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. Since when? I grew up in Canada and obtained citizenship there in 1990. (After the USA decided that they were sick and tired of losing dual citizenship cases in the Supreme Court and stopped pursuing them.) There was no such acknowledgement of the ceremony that I took part in. Incidentally my children get to be Canadian. But my grandchildren do not unless they are born in Canada. That seems reasonable.
- Animats 6y agoYes. The US used to be quite strict about this. It still is if you acquire US citizenship by naturalization. "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen" The deal for people who are already US citizens is easier.
- refurb 6y agoThe US does not require you to give up any other citizenship if you get US citizenship by naturalization.
- djrogers 6y agoThis. I personally know of multiple instances of Canadians being able to retain their Canadian citizenship after becoming a naturalized US citizen.
- nyokodo 6y agoNo it doesn’t. Although, the oath does place limits on the exercise of any foreign citizenship. For instance a Brit who is a naturalized US Citizenship can’t run for Parliament because it would require them to give an oath of loyalty to the Queen.
- samus 6y agoThere are fun workarounds around that oath. But the point is true in general: as a Member of Parliament, one must put priority to their duty to the country they represent. One might ask whether MPs with sole citizenship perform well in that regard, but it is quite easier to raise doubts in case of MP with additional citizenships.
- Dracophoenix 6y agoHow did Boris Johnson get around that, I wonder?
- x2w8TGm8BSTd853 6y agoI’m a citizen of three countries: Russia, Israel, and the United States. I can’t say I’ve ever found myself grateful for three whole passports.
- rootusrootus 6y agoI think it would depend on where you wanted to live, and what countries citizenship you had access to. I would love to have permanent residency in one of the Schengen Area countries. But that's probably not feasible unless I bump up my income a bunch.
- eric4smith 6y agoSpeak for yourself :-) Multiple passports, in 2021 gives you options that are invaluable. You can establish homes in 3 countries. In case of emergency in one country you can go to another 2. You can enter countries that exclude citizens with one or more passports. There is so much to be thankful for with multiple citizenships. The one major downside is U.S. Taxes. Be very grateful to your parents and self-initiative.
- thatfrenchguy 6y agoI have only a French passport so far, and I can settle in 31 countries without any issues. Sometimes you just get the right one ;-)
- the_local_host 6y agoBy "settle", do you mean "visa not required", or permanent residency?
- seszett 6y agoPermanent residency, as those 31 countries are the EU and EFTA.
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- tardismechanic 6y ago"The Indian Citizenship Act, 1955, does not allow dual citizenship." So that's not an option for 1.32 Billion people.
- splintercell 6y agoCheck out the fines. It can (and is) done by a lot of people.
- dreamer7 6y agoIf you were ok with settling outside India you could become a citizen of another country which supports dual citizenship.
- tardismechanic 6y agoYou mean you will have to become a citizen of two countries outside India both of which support DC - coz India doesn't.
- tkgally 6y agoJapan also does not allow its adult citizens to have other nationalities. Those who have Japanese and another nationality from birth are required to choose one after reaching adulthood or risk losing their Japanese nationality [1]. Those acquiring Japanese nationality are also required to renounce other nationalities if possible [2, Article 5]. I know someone who was born in the Soviet Union and, after living in Japan for many years, became a Japanese citizen. She had problems renouncing her previous citizenship because the country where she was born no longer existed; she said she had to bribe someone at the Russian Embassy to get the necessary documentation. She also mentioned being detained and questioned when trying to enter Canada on her Japanese passport for a short stay because the Canadian immigration officials thought she didn’t look Japanese. She had no similar difficulties when trying to enter Japan itself. [1] http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/tcon-01.html http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/tcon-01.html [2] http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/tnl-01.html http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/tnl-01.html
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- alsetmusic 6y agoI’m reminded of Accidental Citizens: https://www.internationalinvestment.net/news/4012853/accidental-americans-us-cut-fees-renouncing-citizenship https://www.internationalinvestment.net/news/4012853/acciden... There was a better article on this, but I didn’t find it. Essentially, being born in the U. S while living elsewhere is a financial burden. As in, you haven’t been here since birth, but you are expected to pay for citizenry.
- atweiden 6y agoI left the US pre-pandemic for a country that eradicated Covid, and couldn't agree more with the author's decision to leave. Particularly if you're in your 20s and fully remote, I'd highly encourage you to look into Australia or New Zealand's working holiday visa. For fans of E.Asia, the Taiwan gold card [1][2] may be of interest. [1]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan/ https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan/ [2]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan-gold-card/ https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan-gold-card/
- xrendan 6y agoHow do you find the timezone change if you work remotely for an American company?
- matt_f 6y agoAnnoying.
- sircastor 6y agoI’m not the OP, but I have a similar situation. I’m on the west coast and work for a company based in the UK. For the most part, it’s a minor annoyance that any problems I have or questions I need answers to are a 24 hour turn around, but otherwise I get my work done and deliver it and they get it the next day. If you’re on top of things, it’s not too challenging.
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- ghaff 6y agoI work in my company's main timezone (US East coast). But my observation is that the (few) people we have on the West coast need to adapt to fairly regular 6am or so meetings and those in Europe often need to work into at least the early evening. It works although IMO being at all synchronous starts to get hard with more than a 6hr difference.
- askytb 6y agoI was curious about freedom of travel benefits and made an app where you can check how many more countries you'd be able to access with another passport on top of your existing one: https://multinational.io/best_passport https://multinational.io/best_passport
- mojuba 6y agoVery cool, thanks! One little request: please list Ireland as Ireland like it's done everywhere else. Couldn't find it until I tried another country and saw it in the list as "the Republic of Ireland"
- sebmellen 6y agoNeat! Just a note — Germans can have dual citizenship, which doesn't seem to match up with your classification.
- samus 6y agoIt's quite tricky with Germany - they only allow citizenships acquired by birth in all cases. It is easier with EU and Swiss citizenships or if they deem it to be unreasonably complicated or expensive to relinquish the other citizenship, e.g. the US one.
- disabled 6y agoI am a dual citizen of the United States and Croatia (European Union citizen). I am culturally American, and I have spent the vast majority of my life in the US. I left the US about a month before the lockdowns started. I have been living in Croatia for the past year. I can technically live/work/retire in any EU/EFTA country (minus Lichtenstein--has an immigration quota), due to having Freedom of Movement rights. In a lot of ways the world is my oyster. Being a dual citizen has some unique advantages: I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. I have pretty severe health problems, so being able to work remotely in the EU for a US based company is a huge deal. I just have to get the US based employer to agree to use a payroll company as an intermediary to deal with payroll taxes. Obviously I forfeit EU workers' rights. But, it is way, way, less stressful living here, just in general. Americans have no idea. The taxes are worth the peace of mind along with the stability it gives society. I naturalized as Croatian only for the right to healthcare: I have 2 rare immune-mediated neurological diseases affecting my peripheral nervous system, which is in remission. I require many unusual treatments and medications, which are difficult to access in the US, for a variety of reasons. Some of these interventions are life-and-death.
- audiometry 6y agoBeing a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA even while living in Europe. Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” because it exposes them to a lot of onerous requirements. Can make banking somewhat a pain.
- cambalache 6y ago> Being a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA I think it is for any income above 100k/year (the amount could have changed), if you are in that bracket is a nice problem to have > Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” I live in a country with many American expats, none of them have had any problem whatsoever to access to banking services, including opening accounts
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- oh_sigh 6y agoWhere does the power of the dual citizenship come from? If I have a passport each to two countries A and B, and am attempting to enter country C - is the benefit that I can present myself as a citizen of B and will be bound by some B-C covenants, regardless of whether I am a citizen of A, or is it from the fact that C doesn't know that I'm associated with A and only knows about my B loyalty because of the passport I presented?
- klipt 6y agoMostly the former, if they offer a 1 year visa to A citizens but a 10 year visa to B citizens, you can say "I'm a B citizen!" and get the 10 year visa. Hiding the fact you're an A citizen is usually only helpful in hostage/terrorist situations which you'd probably want to avoid in any case.
- oh_sigh 6y agoThat's what I assumed is the case, but my question is about how much data each country might have on the citizens of other countries, and whether that would affect this arrangement. I was thinking specifically of the certain countries where you needed to hide the fact that you have been to Israel. Or, for example, to Iran - where Americans need special government babysitters to visit the country but the Swiss don't. Wouldn't the Iranians want to monitor a Swiss-passport-carrying American as much as any other American?
- samus 6y agoEverybody involved in this (serious) game knows that people can have multiple passports and that the ones with disadvantageous information are usually not shown. There is indeed an ongoing risk that authorities get information some way or another (flight records, informants, data breaches, social networks) and start connecting dots. Intelligence services probably do that all the time to keep tabs on operatives of other countries. In the Iran case, the safe way seems to disclose the double citizenship and accept the babysitters. As a Swiss, I would clarify with the Swiss embassy whether they can intervene in case the double citizenship causes further problems. It seems likely, as the person would still be a Swiss citizen. It all depends how much hassle it is to sour the diplomatic relationship with Switzerland.
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- 1996 6y agoThe mention of Puerto Rico giving citizenship after 1 year is funny. I thought it was part of the US! I wonder what the conditions are for PR citizenship!
- mdasen 6y agoSpain offers an easier pathway to citizenship for citizens of Ibero-American countries (basically Latin America) and that includes Puerto Rico. The idea is that, if you're an American, you could get PR citizenship status with one year and then Spain would give you citizenship with only two years. You might consider the PR citizenship to not actually be a "citizenship" but merely a residency status (like how you might live in California or Washington). Though technically, US citizens are also citizens of the state in which they reside. So, it's not really that different than what states do when considering things like in-state tuition at schools. So, yes PR has citizenship just as California and every other state has citizenship. I guess the difference is that PR considers that you don't lose the status of PR citizen when you cease to be a resident (at least if you were born there or a parent was). Spain is also free to make the laws it wants to access their nationality. They could decide that those born in Florida should have easier access given Florida's historical connection to Spain. France was at least considering allowing anyone born in a place that used to be French territory to get citizenship. I believe Bill Clinton joked that he could move to France and run for President there since Arkansas was part of the Louisiana Purchase from France. Anyway, it seems that PR citizenship needs US citizenship, but US citizens can gain PR citizenship with one year of residency.
- ghaff 6y agoIt's really about being a resident of a state rather than a "citizen." But it can lead to various edge cases, some of which are being spotlighted at the moment as people move around to get out of cities. Basically you have this somewhat odd situation where you have free movement within the country and the federal government doesn't actually care where you spend your time. But you essentially need to be a state resident for purposes of things like a driver's license and paying state taxes and some states really want your money if you spend more than a bare minimum of days in the state. So there sort of a disconnect between federal rules and state rules.
- chaganated 6y agoI would prefer exclusive citizenship requirements... cut mercenaries like Jacobson off like the gangrenous appendages they are.
- s1artibartfast 6y agoWhile it seems obvious that you are not interested, What downside do you see about people with higher mobility and choice?
- chaganated 6y agoDisloyalty and parasitism. With no hard ties to the community, they treat it like a disposable. Look at how quickly they trashed San Francisco. Looks like Austin is next. I pray for them.
- s1artibartfast 6y agoI think that is a valuable point. With respect to SF, I assume you are talking about transient tech workers. I’m not sure I agree with this. In my experience, SF natives are loud advocates of the broken public policies. I think the innumeracy that leads to careless spending and lack of accountability runs deep in both groups.
- s1artibartfast 6y agoThinking about it a bit more, I wanted to acknowledge that I think there’s also a challenge around knowledge. Unless transient population might have a deeper memory for what has worked in the past and not worked in the past, and be better able to hold people accountable.
- chaganated 6y agoWith some of these people sitting on three passports, I doubt they'd put any deep history to use -- treating a town the same way many mutual funds treat a stock: "this company no longer meets our investment criteria" -- DUMP
- lars512 6y agoI’m all for dual citizenships, but a downside nobody’s talking about is that you have to spend 5-10 years of your life in your new country to get it, not factoring in multi-year waiting times that may exist for processing citizenship. Essentially, you need to be comfortable migrating.
- 082349872349872 6y agoMy experience is that acculturation took a while, but it was much faster than the rate of political change in my birth country.
- frosted-flakes 6y agoUnless you happen to be lucky enough to be born a dual citizen.
- indigochill 6y agoAs they say, "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it." I incidentally moved to Europe for work several years ago without any particular plans to pursue dual citizenship, but I stuck around long enough I'm almost eligible so now I'm going for it because it'd open a lot of doors. In my case it wasn't a downside at all, as I love living here (moving from a high-crime city to virtually-no-crime was great, and I love the atmosphere/environment here) and although there are always challenges with migration, for me none of them were too bad. But I had good personal circumstances for migration (few domestic attachments). For others, it could be more of a hurdle.
- pbk1 6y agoYou can accelerate 5-10 years to 3 months using pay for citizenship schemes. For example Grenada has one where you get citizenship and a passport in return for "donating" $150k USD to the government. Grenada's is interesting because you get visa-free access to China. Antigua and Barbuda are running a "50% off sale" (I kid you not..) where the cost is only $100k USD (normally $200k USD)
- gamekathu 6y agoThe post glosses over Canada by not mentioning Quebec. If you are in Quebec, chances of your getting a Permanent Residency is close to slim if you do not have French language proficiency. Thus, while living in Quebec for 5 years now, being a grad student, I neither qualify for PR nor citizenship by naturalization.
- klipt 6y agoIn the US a student visa never leads to naturalization, you need a green card first. I think that's the case in most countries. I heard of someone from Haiti getting Canadian citizenship while going to grad school in Quebec but that seems more an exception than the rule.
- gamekathu 6y agoMy point was mainly directed at both PR and naturalization aspects of Canada that was mentioned in this post. Even if you are not a student, the road to PR in Quebec is long if you do not have meet the language requirement. Typically you apply for Quebec Selection Certificate (CSQ) which is a pre-requirement for PR. This pre-requirement also has a pre-requirement nowadays, which is getting an invitation to apply for CSQ through ARRIMA (which has a yearly cap). In total,even if you are not a student, if you do not meet language requirement, it can take 3-4 years just to get the PR, and 3 more for citizenship. Thus, my point was against the classic misconception of “easy path to citizenship” of Canada made by this post (and frankly by a lot of people in general, as they tend to overlook Quebec).
- klipt 6y agoYeah I don't know why anyone would choose Quebec if they aren't already fluent in French.
- S53Vflnr4n 6y agoPeople choosing Quebec to immigrate must be either fluent in French or stupid. Quebec immigration is perhaps one of the most arcane system and politically influenced. To compare it only takes 4 or 6 months to get a PR in rest of Canada if you have the right skills. In Quebec, even if you have the right skills and speaks French, it takes a minimum of 2 years if the red tape allows. If you do not know French with the right skills 3 to 4 years.
- hartator 6y ago> Lower taxes via relocation and dual taxation agreements Well. I have a bad news as OP's current country seems be the US.
- tppiotrowski 6y agoForeign earned income exemption prevents IRS from taxing the first $108,700 in 2021. The tax rate in Australia for first $18,000 is 0%, compared with 10-12% federal + X% state in the US so if you're a low income earner living abroad can save big on taxes.
- laurencerowe 6y agoThe first $12K is normally tax free in the US too (standard deduction.)
- tppiotrowski 6y agoGood point. Standard deduction and payroll taxes make it hard to compare tax schemes across the world. It's all apples and oranges...
- tppiotrowski 6y agoIf you are smart, driven, seek opportunity and wish to be on the cutting edge of innovation and access to capital: live in the US. You will be free to make choices optimal for yourself (retirement, health insurance, etc). If you don't care about the cutting edge and want to feel safe at the cost of losing some freedom of choice: live abroad. I personally recommend Australia. This is my experience. Neither is 'good' or 'bad'. It comes down to what you seek...
- DoingIsLearning 6y agoThe premise of the article is to highlight benefits of second citizenship but what stands out in the examples are mostly situations of failings in governance and policy within the US.
- indigochill 6y agoMore abstractly, I've argued that migration naturally follows from Lockian political thought. If government exists to serve the governed, then it stands to reason that if a government isn't adequately serving the governed (as some might argue to be the case in the US, but I appreciate this is up to personal interpretation), the governed has the right to choose a new government. Historically we've seen this attempted through revolutions, but now with the advent of relatively easy/inexpensive international migration (by historical standards - not to mention the impossibility of revolutionary war today, but that's a different discussion), migration is a more peaceful alternative.
- DoreenMichele 6y agoIf you are in the continental US, Mexico is one of the easier places to go. (At least in non-pandemic years. I didn't look into it this past year.) In the US, the fifty states are also different enough from each other that it may be easier to consider relocating within the US to find something more to your liking or more suitable to your needs. You won't need to apply for a visa or citizenship, etc. You can just find the weather, city size, etc that you like and go with a lot less paper work and jumping through hoops.
- mrsaint 6y agoOur two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them gaining Croatian citizenship was more involved. First I needed to apply for it for myself through my dad. I also bought a second home in Croatia were we've spent most of our holidays. I also maintain a Croatian bank account that I use to cover local bills. It took several years and a good lawyer to get passed the beaucracy. Ultimately I received the Croatian passport and so did our children about half a year later. After staying for over 10 years in Switzerland, my wife, my kids and I applied for Swiss citizenship. It cost us a couple of thousand US dollars, a clean record (no outstanding bills, no other credit issues, proof that you can take financial care of the family), proof of "proper integration" (like do I frequently visit the local pub... really!), a German language proficiency test for my wife, and a test for both of us showing that we understand the cultural, religious and political aspects of Swiss society. The process took exactly one year when we received our passports. Was it all worth it? I think so. It is a liberating feeling to know that you can move between countries. We also wanted our kids to be able to choose for themselves where to live once they are grown up.
- emptysongglass 6y agoHow is this legal? Most countries in the world disallow holding more than 2 citizenships. Do these countries know your kids are holding four? If they do not, they need to be informed.
- SlavikCA 6y agoI was born in Russia. That's my red passport. My parent moved with us to USA, when I was 18. That's my dark blue passport. When I was working as Software engineer in California, our company got aquired and they asked us to relocate to Canada. I got PR here and soon will have light blue passport here. Personal thoughts: USA citizenship gives me best opportunities and access to best job market. Canada citizenship gives me best social net: free health care, lower-cost education for my kids. Russian citizenship gives me hope of protection from western injustice system (Snowden-style) or left cancel culture.
- 55555 6y agoA second passport for a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the first, or better yet, an "enemy state", is a literal get-out-of-jail-free card.
- cpursley 6y agoI'm doing the opposite. I'm an American now living in Russia and will apply for long term residency then may apply for citizenship at some point once my language skills are better. I joke with my wife that in return for the green card I helped her earn, she helps me get a red card. Russia has very low taxes for contractors, so that combined with the American foreign earned income tax credit results in tremendous tax savings. Also, I'm on the Black Sea so the weather is better than the rest of Russia. Downside is the political situation, obviously.
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- wilperkins 6y ago> One of the most difficult aspects of securing it was that the required documentation was a moving target; online sources conflicted with one another and each reviewer of your application seemingly applied their own new criteria as well. As a result, one of the most successful strategies was insistence; arguing with your reviewer and demonstrating how you did in fact have sufficient documentation and that they were wrong. I had this exact same experience when renewing my contractor visa in Germany. I'd suggest bringing a printed copy of the requirements list from the German ausländerbehörde website with you whenever you show up to these appointments.
- _Microft 6y ago"The last time I looked, Estonia was not allowing anyone residing in the US to enter. A reasonable plan seems like it may be to travel to the UK/Ireland and then enter Estonia from there." Oof, planning to circumvent procedures that countries established to protect their people. What a dick.
- personlurking 6y agoThis is a mostly acceptable attempt at laying out lots of information related to the subject at hand, but I found it to be poorly researched, inaccurate in some places and missing a lot of info in others. It's a good enough jumping off point, however. I've been abroad and living between countries for a decade, and one of my hobbies is researching every way an American can get second citizenship and, in particular, residency. That said, I admit I don't have a lot of knowledge about citizenship by ancestory.
- bullen 6y agoRelocating is not a solution, you need to live sustainably where you are. Use wood for heat, pump water manually and grow/breed/hunt/conserve food yourself. The human made system will crumble surprisingly fast (starting with authority, with which borders really are made) and the only thing we ever made by inspiration from nature (the internet) will survive.
- davidw 6y agoI started looking at getting my Italian citizenship last year and then COVID hit and I wasn't about to travel to the consulate in San Francisco to deal with it. Kids have both US and Italian though. I hope to do it at some point, although I have some nagging doubts about Italy making a grab for US assets that are probably unfounded.
- vyrotek 6y agoHa, I'm literally looking into the same thing as well. Somehow I was never informed that me and my kids are eligible. Its supposedly somewhat easier because because my mother is an Italian citizen and living. But I didn't want to have to travel somewhere either. I did read something about how you can get it done quickly while in Italy. I'm kicking myself having missed the chance to do that while I was there a couple of years ago. Open to any advice you might have.
- davidw 6y agoI haven't looked at it for a while because we've just been holed up at home, but I seem to recall that the biggest PITA was having to do some kind of language test, and you can only do that via approved places. I speak the language fluently, so it's not a worry, just a hassle, but if you don't speak it well, you probably ought to brush up. Also: requirements may differ for different situations - I am married to an Italian woman. Sometimes things are different for children or other relationships.
- vyrotek 6y agoYes, that's what I understand too. I believe since I have a direct blood relation that neither me nor my kids would need to do those tests but my wife would. But I wasn't sure if I would need to visit the consulate. Definitely tricky to pull off these days. Looks like you lived in Padova for quite some time. I was there for 6 months or so back in 2003. Would love to visit again. My family there is mostly in Milano but from Cuneo and Sardegna. :)
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