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it's unfortunate most kids dont get a skilled mentor by middle school. I had friends that were older than me, and my uncle, both got me interested in tech/"hack

it's unfortunate most kids dont get a skilled mentor by middle school. I had friends that were older than me, and my uncle, both got me interested in tech/"hacking". eventually the school let some of us help do some tech support. its such a waste of time to stuff kids into a room with no direction, just to fulfill gen ed requirements so the school boards ranks better. I had a friend get hired into tech straight out of highschool without a degree while everyone else wasted time in undergrad

sitkack 6y ago
Imagine if we lived in a society healthy enough that kids could have more of a proto-adult status. Kids are told they have to wait for certain times or ages to do things. That is a HS level shop thing. Oh you need calculus for that and that isn't till college. We should find a way to empower any kid with ambition to take that as far as they want as early as they want.
- ip26 6y ago
  I wanted to run the huge 24” table saw in shop when I was 12. I’m glad no one let me.
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    What about you being twelve made you less safe than someone of sixteen? "Don't put fingers on the metal bit" isn't a terribly complex lesson, about on par with "don't touch the stove when it's hot" or "curl your fingers when cutting downwards".
    - ip26 6y ago
      Less strength, focus, reach, coordination, awareness, probably less responsible... anyway, a large table saw is one of the most dangerous power tools in a wood shop. There’s just no reason a 12 year old needs to assume that risk. We had unfettered use of band saws, drills, jig saws, sanders, and all kinds of equipment. You don’t need to run the table saw to learn woodworking. I think about this as a parent. Letting your kid take risks is good. A jig saw can hurt! But that doesn’t mean a child should be taking mortal risk. A table saw can absolutely kill you.
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    - imtringued 6y ago
      >Don't put fingers on the metal bit" isn't a terribly complex lesson No, that's not the problem. The problem is kickback.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    I'm an adult and I don't want to use table saws because I consider them too dangerous. Nobody has to tell me when I am old enough for them because I know the danger doesn't go away with age. I also don't want to weld or use an angle grinder for the same reasons. Dangerous tools will never be safe. If I could avoid driving I would probably stop that too.
  - sitkack 6y ago
    That isn't what I said, this is a comic book guy response. Am I supposed to argue with you and support and argument I wasn't trying to make? No one unskilled should do dangerous things, rather than throw up comment like this, why not make a constructive one along the lines of, "when I was 12 I wanted to build X and it required using the large table saw. I had to wait until I was 17 to do that because using the table saw blocked me. How can we unblock kids from completing their projects?"
    - ip26 6y ago
      I must have misunderstood your concept of proto-adult, apologies.
      - sitkack 6y ago
        You might not have, but jumping directly to using the most dangerous tool in the shop is not what one would expect for the most inexperienced person in the room. The idea is that we ramp the responsibilities and the agency as the person is ready, not by some date. I have known 10 year olds that could schedule a 100 person party and 40 year olds that are incapable of paying a parking ticket on time. The thing I take point with is bringing up the most extreme counterpoint to the concept I put forth has the affect of either derailing the conversation or shutting it down. Don't vanquish imaginary dragons, give cover to a spring flower in a hailstorm under blue skies.

sitkack 6y ago

Imagine if we lived in a society healthy enough that kids could have more of a proto-adult status. Kids are told they have to wait for certain times or ages to do things. That is a HS level shop thing. Oh you need calculus for that and that isn't till college. We should find a way to empower any kid with ambition to take that as far as they want as early as they want.

ip26 6y ago
I wanted to run the huge 24” table saw in shop when I was 12. I’m glad no one let me.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  What about you being twelve made you less safe than someone of sixteen? "Don't put fingers on the metal bit" isn't a terribly complex lesson, about on par with "don't touch the stove when it's hot" or "curl your fingers when cutting downwards".
  - ip26 6y ago
    Less strength, focus, reach, coordination, awareness, probably less responsible... anyway, a large table saw is one of the most dangerous power tools in a wood shop. There’s just no reason a 12 year old needs to assume that risk. We had unfettered use of band saws, drills, jig saws, sanders, and all kinds of equipment. You don’t need to run the table saw to learn woodworking. I think about this as a parent. Letting your kid take risks is good. A jig saw can hurt! But that doesn’t mean a child should be taking mortal risk. A table saw can absolutely kill you.
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  - imtringued 6y ago
    >Don't put fingers on the metal bit" isn't a terribly complex lesson No, that's not the problem. The problem is kickback.
- imtringued 6y ago
  I'm an adult and I don't want to use table saws because I consider them too dangerous. Nobody has to tell me when I am old enough for them because I know the danger doesn't go away with age. I also don't want to weld or use an angle grinder for the same reasons. Dangerous tools will never be safe. If I could avoid driving I would probably stop that too.
- sitkack 6y ago
  That isn't what I said, this is a comic book guy response. Am I supposed to argue with you and support and argument I wasn't trying to make? No one unskilled should do dangerous things, rather than throw up comment like this, why not make a constructive one along the lines of, "when I was 12 I wanted to build X and it required using the large table saw. I had to wait until I was 17 to do that because using the table saw blocked me. How can we unblock kids from completing their projects?"
  - ip26 6y ago
    I must have misunderstood your concept of proto-adult, apologies.
    - sitkack 6y ago
      You might not have, but jumping directly to using the most dangerous tool in the shop is not what one would expect for the most inexperienced person in the room. The idea is that we ramp the responsibilities and the agency as the person is ready, not by some date. I have known 10 year olds that could schedule a 100 person party and 40 year olds that are incapable of paying a parking ticket on time. The thing I take point with is bringing up the most extreme counterpoint to the concept I put forth has the affect of either derailing the conversation or shutting it down. Don't vanquish imaginary dragons, give cover to a spring flower in a hailstorm under blue skies.