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I worked in tech companies, this is why I was mentioning how this is different between companies and organizations.

pvarangot 6y ago
Oh sorry I thought you were talking about roles on the entertainment industry. I also work in tech and worked in tech most of my life and even talking about this stuff in certain circles can get you fired. Not so much about the drugs thing, but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex.
- BrandoElFollito 6y ago
  I am French so the sex part is, well, French :)
- P_I_Staker 6y ago
  > but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex. IDK about that it's the same or slightly better than the rest of corporate America IME. Maybe a bit more lenient, if anything. Industry is "very conservative" because talking about sex can almost instantaneously turn into sexual harassment. So you have to be careful talking about it. Drugs don't have the same liability concerns, if people aren't obviously loaded on the job. I'm talking about frivolous lawsuits as well as legitimate grievances. People have a right not to deal with sexual discomfort (I don't have a better name for this concept - the uncomfortable feelings people have when talking about sex). Some people are very very uncomfortable talking about sex for various reasons. You can't even mention it without toing this line, or potentially crossing it. I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the tech industry being conservative on sex. I've met so many very openly LGBTQ in software. It definitely feels more common than elsewhere, especially with these corporate jobs.
  - bobthepanda 6y ago
    The discomfort is considered to be part of the broad topic of ‘consent’. In a similar manner to people consenting to actual sexual actions, you should get consent about talking about sex, because people’s boundaries are all over the place, and you’re almost certainly not going to get informed, free consent in a workplace with power dynamics.
    - P_I_Staker 6y ago
      Right, in a way that's what I'm talking about. I still wanted to come up with a separate term for the "feelings", vs. the concept of consent which is designed to prevent people inflicting these feelings on parties against their will. I still don't like my own choice of wording... feels kinda weak, or an understatement
nomdep 6y ago
I believe the reason you don't see this kind of parties in tech is because the industry is filled with people who are introverts, not specially groomed/attractive and/or not very good reading social cues.
- ikiris 6y ago
  These parties are absolutely in tech...
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    Go on... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    - coldtea 6y ago
      https://www.newsweek.com/silicon-valley-uncovered-brotopia-lifts-lid-drug-fueled-sex-party-attended-779564 https://www.newsweek.com/silicon-valley-uncovered-brotopia-l...
      - mckirk 6y ago
        If we already had a GPT-deepfake interface I would now ask it to generate a costumed Elon Musk confusedly 'John Travolta'ing (the Pulp Fiction meme) in the middle of a SciFi sex party. In a year or two, perhaps.
- thu2111 6y ago
  No, I don't think so. That's a 1980s era explanation. There are people who aren't especially attractive in all industries. Even in Hollywood, look at what Weinstein got up to, and he isn't exactly Adonis reborn. I think the explanation is simpler: music and acting jobs are easy. Lots of people can sing, dance, semi-convincingly repeat lines written for them by other people, or even write scripts. It's just not a very skilled set of jobs. It doesn't take 5 years of study to become a great actor, people just luck into it all the time. Anywhere you get the intersection of a lot of money and easy jobs, you get jobs being parcelled out according to criteria like looks, knowing the right people, having the right parents, having the right party attitudes, or how easily they get into bed. After all, what other criteria are they going to use to differentiate between the masses of hopefuls applying for their chance at fame and fortune. In contrast, tech is hard. It takes years of study to even get in on the bottom rung. Then it takes many more years of obsessive-level study and work to climb to the top. The difference in skill between a newbie and a master is enormous. If you're interviewing for a master software developer, and say "hey, you party much?" and they reply with something lame and boring like "no, I prefer to spend time with my wife and kids" then in a well functioning organisation they will still get the job. In quite a few other industries, if the interviewer is young that reply could easily cause you to be ranked lower than some other candidate who said "I'm always up for a good time!"

Oh sorry I thought you were talking about roles on the entertainment industry. I also work in tech and worked in tech most of my life and even talking about this stuff in certain circles can get you fired. Not so much about the drugs thing, but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex.

BrandoElFollito 6y ago
I am French so the sex part is, well, French :)
P_I_Staker 6y ago
> but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex. IDK about that it's the same or slightly better than the rest of corporate America IME. Maybe a bit more lenient, if anything. Industry is "very conservative" because talking about sex can almost instantaneously turn into sexual harassment. So you have to be careful talking about it. Drugs don't have the same liability concerns, if people aren't obviously loaded on the job. I'm talking about frivolous lawsuits as well as legitimate grievances. People have a right not to deal with sexual discomfort (I don't have a better name for this concept - the uncomfortable feelings people have when talking about sex). Some people are very very uncomfortable talking about sex for various reasons. You can't even mention it without toing this line, or potentially crossing it. I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the tech industry being conservative on sex. I've met so many very openly LGBTQ in software. It definitely feels more common than elsewhere, especially with these corporate jobs.
- bobthepanda 6y ago
  The discomfort is considered to be part of the broad topic of ‘consent’. In a similar manner to people consenting to actual sexual actions, you should get consent about talking about sex, because people’s boundaries are all over the place, and you’re almost certainly not going to get informed, free consent in a workplace with power dynamics.
  - P_I_Staker 6y ago
    Right, in a way that's what I'm talking about. I still wanted to come up with a separate term for the "feelings", vs. the concept of consent which is designed to prevent people inflicting these feelings on parties against their will. I still don't like my own choice of wording... feels kinda weak, or an understatement

nomdep 6y ago

I believe the reason you don't see this kind of parties in tech is because the industry is filled with people who are introverts, not specially groomed/attractive and/or not very good reading social cues.

ikiris 6y ago
These parties are absolutely in tech...
- cbozeman 6y ago
  Go on... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  - coldtea 6y ago
    https://www.newsweek.com/silicon-valley-uncovered-brotopia-lifts-lid-drug-fueled-sex-party-attended-779564 https://www.newsweek.com/silicon-valley-uncovered-brotopia-l...
    - mckirk 6y ago
      If we already had a GPT-deepfake interface I would now ask it to generate a costumed Elon Musk confusedly 'John Travolta'ing (the Pulp Fiction meme) in the middle of a SciFi sex party. In a year or two, perhaps.
thu2111 6y ago
No, I don't think so. That's a 1980s era explanation. There are people who aren't especially attractive in all industries. Even in Hollywood, look at what Weinstein got up to, and he isn't exactly Adonis reborn. I think the explanation is simpler: music and acting jobs are easy. Lots of people can sing, dance, semi-convincingly repeat lines written for them by other people, or even write scripts. It's just not a very skilled set of jobs. It doesn't take 5 years of study to become a great actor, people just luck into it all the time. Anywhere you get the intersection of a lot of money and easy jobs, you get jobs being parcelled out according to criteria like looks, knowing the right people, having the right parents, having the right party attitudes, or how easily they get into bed. After all, what other criteria are they going to use to differentiate between the masses of hopefuls applying for their chance at fame and fortune. In contrast, tech is hard. It takes years of study to even get in on the bottom rung. Then it takes many more years of obsessive-level study and work to climb to the top. The difference in skill between a newbie and a master is enormous. If you're interviewing for a master software developer, and say "hey, you party much?" and they reply with something lame and boring like "no, I prefer to spend time with my wife and kids" then in a well functioning organisation they will still get the job. In quite a few other industries, if the interviewer is young that reply could easily cause you to be ranked lower than some other candidate who said "I'm always up for a good time!"