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"What I will tell you is that they had a disproportionate number of abuse reports that went unprocessed. And as a result, they left themselves wide open to peop

"What I will tell you is that they had a disproportionate number of abuse reports that went unprocessed. And as a result, they left themselves wide open to people using their platform for purposes that maybe weren't the original intention of the people who manage it. Does that necessarily mean that we not only take that site offline, but we burn it to the ground?" Monster said. "I don't know, but I think the site can be rehabilitated so it could be more self-governing." Just to note that Rob Monster does have certain criteria for allowing sites to use his services, as well. "It's one thing to be sent to detention. It's another thing to get a suspension. It's another thing to be sent to a penal colony for the rest of your life," Monster said. Getting kicked off of a provider is not "being sent to a penal colony". Nobody is forced to host your site. This is partly how free market capitalism works, last I recall. Allow me to play a sad song for parler on the world's smallest violin.

ttt0 6y ago
Yes, and Google can shut down your app or entire account for no reason at all and you have no right to complain about it, because free market capitalism.
- ycombigator 6y ago
  Freedom intensifies
- andrewzah 6y ago
  You can complain if you want, but the end of the day, it's really your own fault for choosing to depend on google. If you don't like google's behavior, then you should either be self-hosting or at least diversify with other providers. Expecting the government to step in and be useful in any way here is a pipe dream. Parler learned a hard lesson to not depend on AWS. I bet a lot of AWS customers also saw that and began taking steps to either move off of AWS or at least make it easy to migrate if needed.
  - Darmody 6y ago
    Build your own cloud infrastructure powered by your own power grid.
    - andrewzah 6y ago
      Alternatively, if I spend time and resources building my own cloud infrastructure, I would like to be able to choose my clients. Political beliefs are not a protected class, nor should they be. And politics aside, if a client had a bad moderation policy or refused to moderate their content per my standard, then I should be allowed to terminate the contract. They should then be free to choose another provider.
      - Darmody 6y ago
        So you think it's ok to discriminate people. F*ck freedom of speech, let's make everything political. What if an employee talks about minimum wage? Or paid maternity leave? Or gay marriage? Should you be able to fire them freely because you're not OK with their political beliefs? Every day I'm more astonished by what I read in this site. About the moderation thing. They did moderate, but they couldn't manage everything due the explosive growth they had. Plans to assault the Capitol were posted in Facebook and Twitter days before but only Parler is guilty.
        andrewzah 6y ago
        "let's make everything political." Everything -is- political. For some people, the status quo is amenable to them. For others, it is not. If you want to avoid politics, I think the only real way is to venture into the wilderness and live solo. "Should you be able to fire them freely because you're not OK with their political beliefs?" I can't speak for other countries, but the US protects from being fired due to certain characteristics. Aside from that, yes, absolutely, employers should be able to fire employees. That said, there is nothing preventing said employees from giving said employer bad press, etc. There is nothing preventing employers from getting tried in the court of public opinion. I don't see why we should expect the government to intervene and say "well, you can't fire anyone, for any reason, ever, as they claim it's retribution for X, Y, or Z". That, I believe, would be referred to by most americans as the dreaded "socialism" that we're so keen to avoid in favor of free market capitalism.
- trentgreene 6y ago
  Correct -- so when thinking through your idea, be mindful of your dependencies.
- tor11 6y ago
  > because free market capitalism. it is not a free market as long as there is regulation. regulation creates these situations.
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trianglem 6y ago
Rob Monster is a neo nazi cultivator. I hate cancel culture but if anyone deserves to be “cancelled” it’s his kind.
- tmpz22 6y ago
  "Nazis deserve to be cancelled" is a controversial statement to some HN users.
  - XorNot 6y ago
    They're getting downvoted because it's an asinine statement - "I hate cancel culture but...". So actually they don't hate it, they haven't even thought about it, and in this one instance when they did they concluded that people are right. They're just stopping short of considering that view any further because then they'd be like those people who are definitely wrong. Because they are.
    - trianglem 6y ago
      Cancel culture has been frivolously applied to a lot of situations where it does not make sense to. Rob Monster literally has said himself he wants to provide a place to foment specifically far-right ideology. He is extremely deserving of a “cancel”.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    Yes, it is. I don't think that you should be cancelled for being a communist, a nazi, a black nationalist or whatever, simply for holding such opinions. Really outrageous thing to say, I know.
    - andrewzah 6y ago
      " a nazi" People refusing to speak with you or buy things from you is not "being canceled". You do not have a right to force people to listen to you, or force people to do business with you. You are protected from the -government- by the 1st amendment, and other laws prohibit you or your business from discriminating based on protected classes. You are not protected from the court of public opinion, and rightly so. Of course you should be free to say "I agree with Nazi views", and of course I should be allowed to say "that's idiotic, goodbye". I really don't understand how people seem to think that I -must- respect your opinion no matter what it is, and that I -must- continue to speak with you or do business with you. Where is -my- freedom? If you disagree, then don't give me money and maybe my business will fail! But I should be free to do that.

ttt0 6y ago

Yes, and Google can shut down your app or entire account for no reason at all and you have no right to complain about it, because free market capitalism.

ycombigator 6y ago
Freedom intensifies
andrewzah 6y ago
You can complain if you want, but the end of the day, it's really your own fault for choosing to depend on google. If you don't like google's behavior, then you should either be self-hosting or at least diversify with other providers. Expecting the government to step in and be useful in any way here is a pipe dream. Parler learned a hard lesson to not depend on AWS. I bet a lot of AWS customers also saw that and began taking steps to either move off of AWS or at least make it easy to migrate if needed.
- Darmody 6y ago
  Build your own cloud infrastructure powered by your own power grid.
  - andrewzah 6y ago
    Alternatively, if I spend time and resources building my own cloud infrastructure, I would like to be able to choose my clients. Political beliefs are not a protected class, nor should they be. And politics aside, if a client had a bad moderation policy or refused to moderate their content per my standard, then I should be allowed to terminate the contract. They should then be free to choose another provider.
    - Darmody 6y ago
      So you think it's ok to discriminate people. F*ck freedom of speech, let's make everything political. What if an employee talks about minimum wage? Or paid maternity leave? Or gay marriage? Should you be able to fire them freely because you're not OK with their political beliefs? Every day I'm more astonished by what I read in this site. About the moderation thing. They did moderate, but they couldn't manage everything due the explosive growth they had. Plans to assault the Capitol were posted in Facebook and Twitter days before but only Parler is guilty.
      - andrewzah 6y ago
        "let's make everything political." Everything -is- political. For some people, the status quo is amenable to them. For others, it is not. If you want to avoid politics, I think the only real way is to venture into the wilderness and live solo. "Should you be able to fire them freely because you're not OK with their political beliefs?" I can't speak for other countries, but the US protects from being fired due to certain characteristics. Aside from that, yes, absolutely, employers should be able to fire employees. That said, there is nothing preventing said employees from giving said employer bad press, etc. There is nothing preventing employers from getting tried in the court of public opinion. I don't see why we should expect the government to intervene and say "well, you can't fire anyone, for any reason, ever, as they claim it's retribution for X, Y, or Z". That, I believe, would be referred to by most americans as the dreaded "socialism" that we're so keen to avoid in favor of free market capitalism.
trentgreene 6y ago
Correct -- so when thinking through your idea, be mindful of your dependencies.
tor11 6y ago
> because free market capitalism. it is not a free market as long as there is regulation. regulation creates these situations.
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trianglem 6y ago

Rob Monster is a neo nazi cultivator. I hate cancel culture but if anyone deserves to be “cancelled” it’s his kind.

tmpz22 6y ago
"Nazis deserve to be cancelled" is a controversial statement to some HN users.
- XorNot 6y ago
  They're getting downvoted because it's an asinine statement - "I hate cancel culture but...". So actually they don't hate it, they haven't even thought about it, and in this one instance when they did they concluded that people are right. They're just stopping short of considering that view any further because then they'd be like those people who are definitely wrong. Because they are.
  - trianglem 6y ago
    Cancel culture has been frivolously applied to a lot of situations where it does not make sense to. Rob Monster literally has said himself he wants to provide a place to foment specifically far-right ideology. He is extremely deserving of a “cancel”.
- ttt0 6y ago
  Yes, it is. I don't think that you should be cancelled for being a communist, a nazi, a black nationalist or whatever, simply for holding such opinions. Really outrageous thing to say, I know.
  - andrewzah 6y ago
    " a nazi" People refusing to speak with you or buy things from you is not "being canceled". You do not have a right to force people to listen to you, or force people to do business with you. You are protected from the -government- by the 1st amendment, and other laws prohibit you or your business from discriminating based on protected classes. You are not protected from the court of public opinion, and rightly so. Of course you should be free to say "I agree with Nazi views", and of course I should be allowed to say "that's idiotic, goodbye". I really don't understand how people seem to think that I -must- respect your opinion no matter what it is, and that I -must- continue to speak with you or do business with you. Where is -my- freedom? If you disagree, then don't give me money and maybe my business will fail! But I should be free to do that.