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Skeptical of what exactly? They fattened their long term sponsorship check by what, a millionth of their revenue? Less? What changed meaningfully? Do these “ske

by oefrha 6y ago

Skeptical of what exactly? They fattened their long term sponsorship check by what, a millionth of their revenue? Less? What changed meaningfully? Do these “skeptical” people contribute to or even follow Python development at all?

dmos62 6y ago
Google might have their interests aligned with the ecosystem in this case, which is nice, but don't pretend that they haven't otherwise lost the public's trust.
- oefrha 6y ago
  And you don’t need to drag that into every topic that happens to contain the trigger word. There are a thousand other more relevant threads for you to pile on, which is my point. Who’s pretending? Stop opening every thread that contains your trigger word and ruin it for everyone else who’s actually interested in an on-topic discussion.
  - californical 6y ago
    It definitely is relevant here. If Google starts adding anything bad to Python, I need to know. I’m not a Python dev myself, but I know how many programs use it. If Google found a way to add some sort of telemetry to some core Python functionality (pip maybe?), it’s worthwhile for me to know to never install Python on my computer. Or at least not a newer version... or at least block Google’s telemetry IPs
    - detaro 6y ago
      If your trust in the Python project is that low you should probably stop using it today.
    - oefrha 6y ago
      Thanks for at least being honest that you don’t care about Python development.
      - californical 6y ago
        I do care about Python development — my SO uses Python in her research — I just protest anything that gives Google my data as a rule. It sounds like that’s not the case here, but still worth verifying.
    - EvilEy3 6y ago
      Lmao, you need to have your tinfoil hat fixed. Why would they even add telemetry to pip or Python? To send adds to your... wait, how would they even use this data?
  - kubanczyk 6y ago
    No. I've actually just gone over last 30 days of comments of dmos62. Not a one referenced that trigger word.
  - amelius 6y ago
    > And you don’t need to drag that into every topic that happens to contain the trigger word. It's quite a human characteristic to not welcome gifts from the right hand of someone who acts against their interests with their left hand. A company, however, seems to have no problems with this or similar situations. Don't blame the human.
- gerash 6y ago
  I'm sure you're the representative for the general public.
t-writescode 6y ago
In the context of current events? Microsoft and Ubuntu were recently exposed to have teamed up and shared contact information of their users with one another to create LinkedIn leads. The Raspberry Pi team recently added VSCode’s repository endpoint as a required add-on to the most popular OS on it because ... he felt like it, but it exposes new and upgrading Pi users to Microsoft telemetry, sooo There is reason for concern given current events.
- no_wizard 6y ago
  Just so there is a community record of the unrelated Raspberry Pi incident: A. It wasn’t arbitrary. One of the goals of the Raspberry Pi foundation is access to computing and learning. To facilitate that they added this repository to make it seamless to install Visual Studio Code which as of the time of this writing is one of the most popular code editors and often one that is recommended to beginners B) despite reports to the contrary, not a single system package was added, this specifically is aimed at making VS Code installs easier[0] Again concern across the board is okay and things deserve scrutiny, but evidence needs to be provided when making these assertions. I’m no apologist, MS had done some deplorable things, this (and to the extend they were even involved is questionable entirely) is not one of them [0]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/raspberry-pi-os-added-a-microsoft-repo-no-its-not-an-evil-secret/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/raspberry-pi-os-adde...
dmitriid 6y ago
Skeptical of what exactly? Well, from my corner of the IT world I see Google routinely do these things: - Google's involvement in web "standards" [1] - Google sabotaging Mozilla [2] To quote from [2]: --- start quote --- At the individual level, their engineers cared about most of the same things we did... But Google as a whole is very different than individual googlers. ... The question is not whether individual sidewalk labs people have pure motives. I know some of them... They’re great people. But focus on the behaviour of the organism as a whole. At the macro level, google/alphabet is very intentional. --- end quote --- Google today is what Microsoft of yesteryear couldn't imagine in it's top management's wettest dreams. [1] https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1356125702513418249?s=20 https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1356125702513418249?s=20 [2] https://archive.is/tgIH9 https://archive.is/tgIH9

by oefrha 6y ago

dmos62 6y ago

Google might have their interests aligned with the ecosystem in this case, which is nice, but don't pretend that they haven't otherwise lost the public's trust.

oefrha 6y ago
And you don’t need to drag that into every topic that happens to contain the trigger word. There are a thousand other more relevant threads for you to pile on, which is my point. Who’s pretending? Stop opening every thread that contains your trigger word and ruin it for everyone else who’s actually interested in an on-topic discussion.
- californical 6y ago
  It definitely is relevant here. If Google starts adding anything bad to Python, I need to know. I’m not a Python dev myself, but I know how many programs use it. If Google found a way to add some sort of telemetry to some core Python functionality (pip maybe?), it’s worthwhile for me to know to never install Python on my computer. Or at least not a newer version... or at least block Google’s telemetry IPs
  - detaro 6y ago
    If your trust in the Python project is that low you should probably stop using it today.
  - oefrha 6y ago
    Thanks for at least being honest that you don’t care about Python development.
    - californical 6y ago
      I do care about Python development — my SO uses Python in her research — I just protest anything that gives Google my data as a rule. It sounds like that’s not the case here, but still worth verifying.
  - EvilEy3 6y ago
    Lmao, you need to have your tinfoil hat fixed. Why would they even add telemetry to pip or Python? To send adds to your... wait, how would they even use this data?
- kubanczyk 6y ago
  No. I've actually just gone over last 30 days of comments of dmos62. Not a one referenced that trigger word.
- amelius 6y ago
  > And you don’t need to drag that into every topic that happens to contain the trigger word. It's quite a human characteristic to not welcome gifts from the right hand of someone who acts against their interests with their left hand. A company, however, seems to have no problems with this or similar situations. Don't blame the human.
gerash 6y ago
I'm sure you're the representative for the general public.

t-writescode 6y ago

In the context of current events? Microsoft and Ubuntu were recently exposed to have teamed up and shared contact information of their users with one another to create LinkedIn leads. The Raspberry Pi team recently added VSCode’s repository endpoint as a required add-on to the most popular OS on it because ... he felt like it, but it exposes new and upgrading Pi users to Microsoft telemetry, sooo There is reason for concern given current events.

no_wizard 6y ago
Just so there is a community record of the unrelated Raspberry Pi incident: A. It wasn’t arbitrary. One of the goals of the Raspberry Pi foundation is access to computing and learning. To facilitate that they added this repository to make it seamless to install Visual Studio Code which as of the time of this writing is one of the most popular code editors and often one that is recommended to beginners B) despite reports to the contrary, not a single system package was added, this specifically is aimed at making VS Code installs easier[0] Again concern across the board is okay and things deserve scrutiny, but evidence needs to be provided when making these assertions. I’m no apologist, MS had done some deplorable things, this (and to the extend they were even involved is questionable entirely) is not one of them [0]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/raspberry-pi-os-added-a-microsoft-repo-no-its-not-an-evil-secret/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/raspberry-pi-os-adde...

dmitriid 6y ago

Skeptical of what exactly? Well, from my corner of the IT world I see Google routinely do these things: - Google's involvement in web "standards" [1] - Google sabotaging Mozilla [2] To quote from [2]: --- start quote --- At the individual level, their engineers cared about most of the same things we did... But Google as a whole is very different than individual googlers. ... The question is not whether individual sidewalk labs people have pure motives. I know some of them... They’re great people. But focus on the behaviour of the organism as a whole. At the macro level, google/alphabet is very intentional. --- end quote --- Google today is what Microsoft of yesteryear couldn't imagine in it's top management's wettest dreams. [1] https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1356125702513418249?s=20 https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1356125702513418249?s=20 [2] https://archive.is/tgIH9 https://archive.is/tgIH9