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The fan also sucks compared to something like a Vornado. "Buffeting" of air is not a practical issue when using a fan - you want a fan that can create a lot o
by fossuser 6y ago
The fan also sucks compared to something like a Vornado.
"Buffeting" of air is not a practical issue when using a fan - you want a fan that can create a lot of air flow.
The Dyson fan comes across form first then making up reasons to explain the form retroactively. It feels like an interesting look is the goal rather than something that's actually better.
Am I wrong about this? Do people that have the fan like it? Is it better? I've only played with one in a store, but haven't owned one myself. I have owned Vornado fans which I liked.
Another one that comes to mind is the Molekule air filter which is basically fraud.
Large HEPA filters work, people should use them.
My favorite: https://medifyair.com/ https://medifyair.com/
- victor106 6y agoWhy is the medifyair your favorite? I wasn’t able to find any reviews I could trust on it.
- fossuser 6y agoI have a bunch of air filters (I live in the bay area during fire season). Coway Air Mega Coway Mighty Blue Air Medify Air They're basically all equivalent and they all work. The reason I like the Medifyair is because it can move the largest volume of air relative to those so it can clear a space quickly (and quietly). I also think it looks nice (though it is huge). Of the rest, the Blue Air uses weird custom filters which I think cost a little more (though I haven't had to replace them yet). The Coway Mighty is also pretty small and mostly for a tiny room. Relatedly, if you're interested in sensors I think the TemTop sensors are the best (I've tried a bunch of different ones, and a lot of them suck). Some details on this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirQuality/comments/ikf1ed/are_there_any_good_air_sensors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AirQuality/comments/ikf1ed/are_ther...
- hedora 6y agoWirecutter has a review of one of the Medifyair models. They don't recommend it because it's too big, and overkill for their test apartment in New York City. It had the highest CADR in their testing. For a modest house in the Bay Area during fire season, we needed a high MERV furnace filter and also two filters similar to their recommended models, so I moved up to the Medifyair. It arrived after the last fires, but it seems to work extremely well. Hopefully, we won't need it this year...
- victor106 6y agoI am not sure if wirecutter reviews can be trusted anymore. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25993512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25993512 I like consumer reports. You pay money for subscription and they provide you a non biased review.
- chipotle_coyote 6y agoThat's one example of a Wirecutter recommendation that goes against the prevailing wisdom. There are probably others, too -- but that doesn't necessarily mean all their reviews are somehow bad or tainted. You can find recommendations from Consumer Reports that run against the prevailing wisdom, too; I know I'm not alone in having thought in the past that there were some categories of products they were great with and other categories of products they were... not so great with. I know the "you can never trust anyone who has affiliation links" argument, but if we follow that to its logical conclusion, Wirecutter should be strongly biased toward picks that give them the most money for referrals, and that's not really backed up by their choices. They pick cheaper choices pretty frequently, and it's possible to find picks where there's no apparent affiliate link at all, e.g., their pick for best "high-performance" subwoofer. One can posit, as was done in the thread you linked, that there might be deals directly with manufacturers that we don't know about, but "we can't be sure they're being underhanded without us knowing" doesn't actually get us anywhere useful -- the same could obviously be said about anyone, including CR.
- fossuser 6y agoYeah - I generally agree with you. In the review business it's better to be playing the long-term game if you're building a real audience. In Wirecutter's case their long term advantage is to make good reviews without regard to the affiliate payment. There are already thousands of other websites that are just disguised ads. Wirecutter's differentiating features is that they don't do that. They still have some reviews I think are pretty mediocre or products they chose that I think are bad, but generally I think they're worth looking at.
- alasdair_ 6y agoWe bought a Dyson fan when we had very small children that liked to stick their fingers into moving fan blades. It works really well for that purpose.
- fossuser 6y agoNice - yeah that sounds like a great use case for it.
- WiseWeasel 6y agoThey’d probably only do it once. It builds character, similar to == in JS or PHP.
- IgorPartola 6y agostrcpy() has entered the chat.
- froh 6y agomalloc, free and their little pointers snicker from behind a curtain.
- IgorPartola 6y agoI haven’t had as much trouble with those as they mostly do what it says on the tin. strcpy(), sprintf(), etc. all have slightly different semantics and even their “n” versions will do funky things if you don’t very carefully account for null termination. I find it way harder to use those because I have to keep remembering which of them does what regarding \0 at the end. And I guess now we have strlcpy() which is supposed to fix those issues but isn’t available on all platforms I use.
- dwaite 6y agoThey'd probably do it no more than ten times.
- krrrh 6y agoI have one that we keep in our daughters nursery. The thing I like most is that it can run in auto mode and night mode meaning that it’s on all the time and the fan only runs from level 1-4 out of 10, which also means silent operation. It has a sensor for air particle and VOC that causes it to turn up. It seems to work (like if I fluff pillows or make the bed beside it it will detect a spike in particulates on the graph around that time. So, set and forget, silent operation, and safety for small fingers made it the best choice for us despite tests showing lower efficacy over a defined time frame.
- hedora 6y agoWe recently bought the giant one with the ridiculously high CADR. They removed the air quality sensor (covid parts shortage?), so there's no auto mode for that model, at least. :-( It's noisier than expected, but on low it's quiet enough and fine for our entire house during "normal" bad pollution days (PM 2.5 between 100 and 300). During severe smoke from wildfires (PM 2.5 > 300), I'm OK with it being noisy.
- yreg 6y agoWhy is Molekule a fraud?
- fossuser 6y agoSee: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-air-purifier/#molekule-air-and-air-mini-the-worst-air-purifiers-weve-ever-tested https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-air-purifier... They make nonsense claims about their technology - none of which empirically hold up. They lie about it and are just generally full of shit, quoted below: "In the summer of 2019, we purchased a Molekule Air (the flagship model) and tested it. We bought an Air Mini that fall and tested it in February 2020. At the time we tested the Molekule Air, the company claimed that its “scientifically-proven nanotechnology outperforms HEPA filters in every category of pollutant.” Our tests proved otherwise. And by mid-2020, that language had been withdrawn, after many of the company’s claims were ruled against in a case before the National Advertising Division and upheld in a later appeal before the National Advertising Review Board. The Molekule Air turned in the worst performance on particulates of any purifier, of any size, of any price, that we have tested in the seven years that we have been producing this guide. The Air Mini outperformed it, but that’s not saying much: It still gave the second-worst performance we’ve ever seen. Guide author Tim Heffernan asked Molekule CEO Dilip Goswami why the language was removed. He answered, “The point about ‘in all categories’ is that we see a device that outperforms across all of the categories. Right? So we’re not trying to say that individually, on any particular metric, we would be number one. Right? What we’re saying is, when you look across all the categories, we outperform HEPA. Right? And that’s what we’re attempting to convey with that. And so—it’s fair to say that we needed to re-examine some of the language to make sure that it’s saying what we’re intending to say.” The NAD and NARB cases made clear that this was an understatement: All of Molekule’s quantified claims about the Air’s performance; all of its claims about superiority to HEPA; all of its customer and doctor testimonials about the ability of the Air’s filter to reduce asthma and allergy symptoms; and many of its claims to have been independently tested, were ruled unsupported. Other claims were ruled too broad."
- dec0dedab0de 6y agoI had the dyson fan with the heater and filter for a short time, as well as a medify. I was disappointed with both, and returned them. The dyson looked cool, but the heat function was kinda useless unless you sat right next to it. i might get another one without the heat. The medify seemed to work well, but it felt like it was poorly made. I kept thinking I could probably diy something just as good. Though the main reason I returned it was because the advertising claimed it came with two sets of filters, when it only came with one. I bought both of these last year after almost a decade of wanting to get an air filter, and not doing it. The whole industry feels like a scam. This is why I stopped shaving 20 years ago.
- zaphirplane 6y agoI consider the heating as warm the air in winter before blowing it on me (while filtering) not warm the room
- dec0dedab0de 6y agoIt my experience it actually warmed the room better than it warmed me. If I turned the fan up enough to make the air reach me it was cool air by the time it got to me. If I ran it on low it would slowly warm the room.
- flak 6y agoStopped shaving?
- dec0dedab0de 6y agoI was referencing a razor scheme. when you sell something cheap but the part you need to use it is locked down and expensive. Like the blades for a razor, or ink for a printer. Or filters for an air purifier.
- mfkp 6y agoPro-tip: Medify sells factory refurbished units will full lifetime warranty for 50% off via ebay: https://www.ebay.com/sch/medifyair/m.html https://www.ebay.com/sch/medifyair/m.html
- willis936 6y agoI like vornado, but it’s hard to find the analog potentiometer controlled ones these days. Almost all of them are three speed.
- jtdev 6y agoI bought one of the U.S. made Vornado models last year and couldn’t be happier. Great unit, fair price for a quality product.
- zaphirplane 6y agoIt should be sold with ear plug. Loud so loud
- bostonsre 6y agoTheir app and particulant metrics/ graphing are kind of neat and user friendly. And I don't know, it's furniture kind of. Some people buy expensive furniture because it looks nice, some because it's comfortable and some don't bother and just use a milk crate.
- disillusioned 6y agoThese are some fair critiques. I like the form of the Dyson + Heat I have (not an air filter), but more importantly, I like that it's constantly drawing in air and sampling the temperature much more accurately than a typical space heater which is basically just hoping the bi-metallic strip eventually flips the thermo off. The Dyson seems to do a really good job of holding a fairly consistent temperature, plus it looks cool. But I got my refurbed on Woot for like, $100, not the $450 brand new they wanted, which is lunacy.
- bluishgreen 6y agoI use it as a white noise machine, I find the particular noise it gives out to be calming. The heat is also nice, not biting. It could be after the fact rationalization for blowing 250$ on a 25$ equipment.