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On the other hand, I wonder if OSM's accuracy in Europe has taken a hit in the last year. The lockdowns have led to a wave of bankruptcies of restaurants and fi

On the other hand, I wonder if OSM's accuracy in Europe has taken a hit in the last year. The lockdowns have led to a wave of bankruptcies of restaurants and fitness centers in several countries, but because mappers are forced to stay home and aren't circulating in the city doing their business, they aren't noticing so much what has changed and removing those POIs from the map. Also, the extremely strict lockdowns in some countries have prevented people from going out for mapping expeditions in the surrounding regions to add missing infrastructure.

angott 6y ago
This is an issue with all map services, really. I see the same thing happening on Google and Apple Maps, lots of places that are permanently closed haven't been updated yet.
- petre 6y ago
  Apple, Amazon, Facebook and MS have been lately contributing a lot to OSM, so what you see on Apple Maps might very well be OSM data. https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-moment-dcc7eef1bb01 https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-mom...
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    Apple Maps has been OpenStreetMap for years.
    - kccqzy 6y ago
      Apple's old map was OpenStreetMap plus other sources but its new ones are proprietary. But its new ones are only available in the US, UK, Canada and Ireland.
      - jonas21 6y ago
        I believe the old map was mostly TomTom (TeleAtlas) with a little bit of other sources sprinkled in.
        balp 6y ago
        Yes, more TomTom that openstreetmap, that was clearly show by the dataquality. Much less walk and vike information. If you don't drive a car all my sampling say OSM is way better.
    - izacus 6y ago
      No, Apple is USING OpenStreetMap which is a different thing - they pulled the data but haven't contributed much back as they're building their own proprietary backend.
      - habi 6y ago
        Apple does contribute to OSM quite a bit, see around 4:00 in https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/SPRQVZ/ https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/SPRQVZ/ for details of corporate contributions: "Apple is currently doing the most work on the map". Here is the base repository of their contributions on GitHub: https://github.com/osmlab/appledata https://github.com/osmlab/appledata And if I see this correctly, the #adt hashtag (for Apple Data Team) contains already +100000 changesets for this year alone: https://osmcha.org/?filters=%7B%22comment%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22%23adt%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22%23adt%22%7D%5D%2C%22date__gte%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%222021-01-01%22%2C%22value%22%3A%222021-01-01%22%7D%5D%7D https://osmcha.org/?filters=%7B%22comment%22%3A%5B%7B%22labe...
        petre 6y ago
        They also pay Kaart to do it, so most if not all of the Kaart contributions are paid for by Apple. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple#Contributions_through_third_parties https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple#Contributions_thro...
mongol 6y ago
If you notice this you can add a note to the map. This does not require an account or logging in and it will be visible to mappers.
Vinnl 6y ago
Interestingly with almost nothing to do but walks around the city, Covid is the first time I started actively contributing to OSM. Although StreetComplete [1] definitely helped there, albeit just as a gateway for actually updated POIs, which still required the web interface. [1] https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/ https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  > gateway for actually updated POIs, which still required the web interface Vespucci app can be used to do it directly on phone. Vespucci vs StreetComplete are quite interesting, in many aspects they are complete opposites.
  - Harvesterify 6y ago
    Also, OSM Go![1] allows you to edit/delete any object on the map :) [1] Available as PWA and Android app: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm_Go https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm_Go!
elgaard 6y ago
I do not think so. Well restaurant may be a little behind. I try to maintain all restaurants etc in Denmark by comparing OSM POIs to public health inspection reports. see: https://digitalfrihed.dk/restaurants/all.html https://digitalfrihed.dk/restaurants/all.html So today there are 243 restaurants, cafes and fast food places in OSM that do not have a valid inspection report (the pink ones on my map). I think that many are just closed temporarily because of Covid and therefore have not been inspected and the inspection report just timed out. Probably some that have an inspection report will never open again, but I will soon find out. Many of them are cafeterias for employees in larger companies and will likely open again. Many restaurants are open for takeaway, also many that did not do takeaway before the lockdown. I have lately been doing speedlimits, mostly from Mapillary. But I have also done some surveying on bicycle.

angott 6y ago

This is an issue with all map services, really. I see the same thing happening on Google and Apple Maps, lots of places that are permanently closed haven't been updated yet.

petre 6y ago
Apple, Amazon, Facebook and MS have been lately contributing a lot to OSM, so what you see on Apple Maps might very well be OSM data. https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-moment-dcc7eef1bb01 https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-mom...
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  Apple Maps has been OpenStreetMap for years.
  - kccqzy 6y ago
    Apple's old map was OpenStreetMap plus other sources but its new ones are proprietary. But its new ones are only available in the US, UK, Canada and Ireland.
    - jonas21 6y ago
      I believe the old map was mostly TomTom (TeleAtlas) with a little bit of other sources sprinkled in.
      - balp 6y ago
        Yes, more TomTom that openstreetmap, that was clearly show by the dataquality. Much less walk and vike information. If you don't drive a car all my sampling say OSM is way better.
  - izacus 6y ago
    No, Apple is USING OpenStreetMap which is a different thing - they pulled the data but haven't contributed much back as they're building their own proprietary backend.
    - habi 6y ago
      Apple does contribute to OSM quite a bit, see around 4:00 in https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/SPRQVZ/ https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/SPRQVZ/ for details of corporate contributions: "Apple is currently doing the most work on the map". Here is the base repository of their contributions on GitHub: https://github.com/osmlab/appledata https://github.com/osmlab/appledata And if I see this correctly, the #adt hashtag (for Apple Data Team) contains already +100000 changesets for this year alone: https://osmcha.org/?filters=%7B%22comment%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22%23adt%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22%23adt%22%7D%5D%2C%22date__gte%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%222021-01-01%22%2C%22value%22%3A%222021-01-01%22%7D%5D%7D https://osmcha.org/?filters=%7B%22comment%22%3A%5B%7B%22labe...
      - petre 6y ago
        They also pay Kaart to do it, so most if not all of the Kaart contributions are paid for by Apple. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple#Contributions_through_third_parties https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple#Contributions_thro...

mongol 6y ago

If you notice this you can add a note to the map. This does not require an account or logging in and it will be visible to mappers.

Vinnl 6y ago

Interestingly with almost nothing to do but walks around the city, Covid is the first time I started actively contributing to OSM. Although StreetComplete [1] definitely helped there, albeit just as a gateway for actually updated POIs, which still required the web interface. [1] https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/ https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/

matkoniecz 6y ago
> gateway for actually updated POIs, which still required the web interface Vespucci app can be used to do it directly on phone. Vespucci vs StreetComplete are quite interesting, in many aspects they are complete opposites.
- Harvesterify 6y ago
  Also, OSM Go![1] allows you to edit/delete any object on the map :) [1] Available as PWA and Android app: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm_Go https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm_Go!

elgaard 6y ago

I do not think so. Well restaurant may be a little behind. I try to maintain all restaurants etc in Denmark by comparing OSM POIs to public health inspection reports. see: https://digitalfrihed.dk/restaurants/all.html https://digitalfrihed.dk/restaurants/all.html So today there are 243 restaurants, cafes and fast food places in OSM that do not have a valid inspection report (the pink ones on my map). I think that many are just closed temporarily because of Covid and therefore have not been inspected and the inspection report just timed out. Probably some that have an inspection report will never open again, but I will soon find out. Many of them are cafeterias for employees in larger companies and will likely open again. Many restaurants are open for takeaway, also many that did not do takeaway before the lockdown. I have lately been doing speedlimits, mostly from Mapillary. But I have also done some surveying on bicycle.