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> Why does Facebook allow people to share the data of others who didn't agree to this? I have names, email addresses, phone numbers, birthdates, email contents

> Why does Facebook allow people to share the data of others who didn't agree to this? I have names, email addresses, phone numbers, birthdates, email contents, and more for most of my friends. There's no centralized arbiter of this information; I have the ability to share this data in any way I choose. And I do! I switch email providers, install apps on my phone, use calendaring systems, tell our friends where to meet for surprise birthday parties, etc. I don't need your consent for any of it, because even though the information may be about you, we understand that it's "my" data. Inserting Facebook in this process doesn't really change the dynamic.

ginko 6y ago
> I have the ability to share this data in any way I choose. Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. > because even though the information may be about you, we understand that it's "my" data. That's just not true. Why would you think that?!
- voxic11 6y ago
  > Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. Absurd, how would an email provider or social network even work if you couldn't enter your friends contact information.
  - leothecool 6y ago
    There is an exception for data that is required for the functioning of the service. You need your friends email address to use email, but do you really need their birthday or a sentiment analysis of their opinion of cheesecakes?
    - prostoalex 6y ago
      > but do you really need their birthday or a sentiment analysis of their opinion of cheesecakes If you go back to the Wild West of the Facebook apps, shortly after platform launch there was an app for everything - apps for fancy birthday cards with birthday reminders, as well as polling apps telling you which one of your friends is the biggest cheesecake lover. Every piece of data can be spun into being essential.
      - marcosdumay 6y ago
        And you can collect each piece of information as soon as the user decides to use some app that needs it to function. Just not before.
        prostoalex 6y ago
        A polling app building a “psychological compatibility profile” can arbitrarily add new data points, and “streamline” the onboarding process by collecting all of the necessary data with one click (with fully disclosed list of collected data points). Which is what CA has built. Not just them - any survey app claiming to help you find out “which Game of Thrones characters you and your friends are” can arbitrarily claim those data points as necessary.
        marcosdumay 6y ago
        Did people directly add permissions to CA on their accounts? I got the impression they were mislead and wanted to add some different applications with different features. An app to help you find out "which Game of Thrones characters you and your friends are" can arbitrarily claim those data points, and then use them to discover which Game or Thrones character you and your friends are. On that case, even storing the data looks like a violation, even more sharing it with anyone.
  - adverbly 6y ago
    > Absurd You're joking, right? Ever played a video game before? Add by user name. Share a link... There are tons of options without sharing real-world data.
- msla 6y ago
  > Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. People subject to EU law should keep that in mind, then.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  > Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. GDPR is for businesses. Me giving out your phone number as an individual is just being a jerk.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    It doesn't actually say that; it applies to everyone, but there's an exemption for "exclusive to household or personal activities" purposes.
dtech 6y ago
> I don't need your consent for any of it, because even though the information may be about you, we understand that it's "my" data. You do need content though, if I provide my email in a social setting I implicitly give consent to birthday parties etc. I didn't consent to you selling my email as part of a bundle. If people found out you were providing data to random people at least a stern talking to would happen. Under GDPR it works this way for business too, just because I gave you data for a specific purpose doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. I'm not aware of other jurisdictions.
- johnjj257 6y ago
  So... Gdpr doesn't apply to individuals or a person who happens to use a random social media app to find out such freely available info
- Ajedi32 6y ago
  So if I give you my phone number and you store it in Google Contacts, and I later decide I don't want you to have my phone number anymore, under GDPR can I request that Google delete my number from your contacts? After all, I never consented to you sharing my phone number with Google.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  This is also my understanding of the law. GDPR also prohibits me from making a list of my friends' addresses and then trading that list to the Girl Guides in exchange for biscuits.
- deleted 6y ago
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bloodorange 6y ago
While a surprise birthday party etc. is definitely not a problem for me, if any of my friends considered my address, phone number etc. as his/her data, there'd be a rather serious conversation about it.
stiray 6y ago
Foreplay: I know that you don't like what you read but this is a diction of GDPR, so before you start down-voting, please - Rec.74; Art.24 and read [1]) as the "entity" that obtained the data. Let me shed some light. Facebook/Google have nothing to do with it except they are breaking the law because of you that have planted data from you friends without their consent. Following the GDPR, the one who gave personally identifiable information (PII) to the Google/Facebook/whatever, makes HIM/YOU/HER responsible for whatever they do with it. (Or in other words - if you are gathering the personal data on your website for a 3rd party, you better be sure that the 3rd party has a strong legal bond with you regarding the information you have "traded" to it or you might have troubles.) Even if "your friend" has given his/hers PII to you, you dont have any consent to share it with whatever 3rd party application you are using and is stealing your data based on "I Agree button". This is making you, as a controller of PII responsible for his PII. If the 3rd party application ("Facebook/Google/...) took it from you for whatever "reason", those information were not yours to share and you have zero comfort in not being given consent. You have decided, for your friend, that you will share his/hers information with 3rd party application. Due to negligence (you didn't read the "I Agree" text, you didn't care (negligence),... whatever. It really doesn't matter.) You have two troubles here. - The application was violating GDPR. Clearly. Without any doubt. They slurped in the PII data from your friends which gave no consent. They might argue that you have misleaded them. In this case all guilt is on you. Unless they are well known for their acts. Which against paints a big red text "negligence" over your forehead. - YOU were violating GDPR by not taking care for PII of your friend and giving it to 3rd party without consent, approval, anything ("Hey I just took his phone number"). Not only can 3rd party application be held guilty of stockpiling PII without consent, in same manner can YOU be guilty of giving them PII data (oh yeah, "I Agree" button) and your "friend" has all the law support in EU to sue you for this - EU wont, they have larger fish to fry but your friend can and might. [1] - GDPR defines a controller as: >>> the natural <<< or legal person, public authority, agency or other body which, alone or jointly with others, >>> determines the purposes and means of the processing <<< of personal data
pjc50 6y ago
> we understand that it's "my" data Not really; it's their data, and you're allowed to use it. > Inserting Facebook in this process doesn't really change the dynamic. Yes it does, because while you (the individual) are allowed under GDPR to use the personal data of your friends for personal purposes, that doesn't automatically entitle Facebook to use it for their purposes. Only on your behalf for your purposes.
- deleted 6y ago
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- stickfigure 6y ago
  > it's their data, and you're allowed to use it. Here in the US, facts are not copyrightable. Your phone number, birthdate, email address, likes on facebook, list of friends, etc are not things that you can "take away" from someone. In theory you could exercise copyright over an email you've written, but I'm not sure that's ever been worked out in court. > GDPR You have a jurisdiction problem.

ginko 6y ago

> I have the ability to share this data in any way I choose. Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. > because even though the information may be about you, we understand that it's "my" data. That's just not true. Why would you think that?!

voxic11 6y ago
> Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. Absurd, how would an email provider or social network even work if you couldn't enter your friends contact information.
- leothecool 6y ago
  There is an exception for data that is required for the functioning of the service. You need your friends email address to use email, but do you really need their birthday or a sentiment analysis of their opinion of cheesecakes?
  - prostoalex 6y ago
    > but do you really need their birthday or a sentiment analysis of their opinion of cheesecakes If you go back to the Wild West of the Facebook apps, shortly after platform launch there was an app for everything - apps for fancy birthday cards with birthday reminders, as well as polling apps telling you which one of your friends is the biggest cheesecake lover. Every piece of data can be spun into being essential.
    - marcosdumay 6y ago
      And you can collect each piece of information as soon as the user decides to use some app that needs it to function. Just not before.
      - prostoalex 6y ago
        A polling app building a “psychological compatibility profile” can arbitrarily add new data points, and “streamline” the onboarding process by collecting all of the necessary data with one click (with fully disclosed list of collected data points). Which is what CA has built. Not just them - any survey app claiming to help you find out “which Game of Thrones characters you and your friends are” can arbitrarily claim those data points as necessary.
        marcosdumay 6y ago
        Did people directly add permissions to CA on their accounts? I got the impression they were mislead and wanted to add some different applications with different features. An app to help you find out "which Game of Thrones characters you and your friends are" can arbitrarily claim those data points, and then use them to discover which Game or Thrones character you and your friends are. On that case, even storing the data looks like a violation, even more sharing it with anyone.
- adverbly 6y ago
  > Absurd You're joking, right? Ever played a video game before? Add by user name. Share a link... There are tons of options without sharing real-world data.
msla 6y ago
> Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. People subject to EU law should keep that in mind, then.
freeone3000 6y ago
> Freely sharing your friends' data without their permission may be a GDPR violation. GDPR is for businesses. Me giving out your phone number as an individual is just being a jerk.
- pjc50 6y ago
  It doesn't actually say that; it applies to everyone, but there's an exemption for "exclusive to household or personal activities" purposes.

dtech 6y ago

> I don't need your consent for any of it, because even though the information may be about you, we understand that it's "my" data. You do need content though, if I provide my email in a social setting I implicitly give consent to birthday parties etc. I didn't consent to you selling my email as part of a bundle. If people found out you were providing data to random people at least a stern talking to would happen. Under GDPR it works this way for business too, just because I gave you data for a specific purpose doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. I'm not aware of other jurisdictions.

johnjj257 6y ago
So... Gdpr doesn't apply to individuals or a person who happens to use a random social media app to find out such freely available info
Ajedi32 6y ago
So if I give you my phone number and you store it in Google Contacts, and I later decide I don't want you to have my phone number anymore, under GDPR can I request that Google delete my number from your contacts? After all, I never consented to you sharing my phone number with Google.
wizzwizz4 6y ago
This is also my understanding of the law. GDPR also prohibits me from making a list of my friends' addresses and then trading that list to the Girl Guides in exchange for biscuits.
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bloodorange 6y ago

While a surprise birthday party etc. is definitely not a problem for me, if any of my friends considered my address, phone number etc. as his/her data, there'd be a rather serious conversation about it.

stiray 6y ago

Foreplay: I know that you don't like what you read but this is a diction of GDPR, so before you start down-voting, please - Rec.74; Art.24 and read [1]) as the "entity" that obtained the data. Let me shed some light. Facebook/Google have nothing to do with it except they are breaking the law because of you that have planted data from you friends without their consent. Following the GDPR, the one who gave personally identifiable information (PII) to the Google/Facebook/whatever, makes HIM/YOU/HER responsible for whatever they do with it. (Or in other words - if you are gathering the personal data on your website for a 3rd party, you better be sure that the 3rd party has a strong legal bond with you regarding the information you have "traded" to it or you might have troubles.) Even if "your friend" has given his/hers PII to you, you dont have any consent to share it with whatever 3rd party application you are using and is stealing your data based on "I Agree button". This is making you, as a controller of PII responsible for his PII. If the 3rd party application ("Facebook/Google/...) took it from you for whatever "reason", those information were not yours to share and you have zero comfort in not being given consent. You have decided, for your friend, that you will share his/hers information with 3rd party application. Due to negligence (you didn't read the "I Agree" text, you didn't care (negligence),... whatever. It really doesn't matter.) You have two troubles here. - The application was violating GDPR. Clearly. Without any doubt. They slurped in the PII data from your friends which gave no consent. They might argue that you have misleaded them. In this case all guilt is on you. Unless they are well known for their acts. Which against paints a big red text "negligence" over your forehead. - YOU were violating GDPR by not taking care for PII of your friend and giving it to 3rd party without consent, approval, anything ("Hey I just took his phone number"). Not only can 3rd party application be held guilty of stockpiling PII without consent, in same manner can YOU be guilty of giving them PII data (oh yeah, "I Agree" button) and your "friend" has all the law support in EU to sue you for this - EU wont, they have larger fish to fry but your friend can and might. [1] - GDPR defines a controller as: >>> the natural <<< or legal person, public authority, agency or other body which, alone or jointly with others, >>> determines the purposes and means of the processing <<< of personal data

pjc50 6y ago

> we understand that it's "my" data Not really; it's their data, and you're allowed to use it. > Inserting Facebook in this process doesn't really change the dynamic. Yes it does, because while you (the individual) are allowed under GDPR to use the personal data of your friends for personal purposes, that doesn't automatically entitle Facebook to use it for their purposes. Only on your behalf for your purposes.

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stickfigure 6y ago
> it's their data, and you're allowed to use it. Here in the US, facts are not copyrightable. Your phone number, birthdate, email address, likes on facebook, list of friends, etc are not things that you can "take away" from someone. In theory you could exercise copyright over an email you've written, but I'm not sure that's ever been worked out in court. > GDPR You have a jurisdiction problem.