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It is a reduction of the risk of symptomatic disease by 76% once vaccinated. But more importantly, there were no hospitalizations or deaths in the vaccinated p
by lbeltrame 6y ago
It is a reduction of the risk of symptomatic disease by 76% once vaccinated.
But more importantly, there were no hospitalizations or deaths in the vaccinated people. This is a point the media often overlooks.
- nmca 6y agoBecause the "no hospitalisations or deaths" claim from the first Oxford paper was comparing n=2 to n=0 and thus was miles from significance. If the new paper has updated data on this happy to be corrected.
- disgruntledphd2 6y agoTbh, the reductions in hospitalisations has been super high for almost all the vaccines, which is great news.
- lbeltrame 6y agoIt is a constant in any vaccine, including the "lowest" performers from Sinovac and Sinopharm. At this point, I'm inclined to believe that any resonably effective vaccine will have this effect.
- adamc 6y agoIt's huge. On the whole, avoiding hospitalizations is far more important than whether people had mild cases.
- renaudg 6y agoNot quite when it comes to stopping the epidemic, because transmission seems to be highly correlated to viral load and thus to severity as well.
- orra 6y agoIndeed. These are some of the best vaccines ever invented[1]. Look at the two charts[2] in this paper from the UK's JCVI. They show the number of severe incidents (severe COVID or death). The linear or exponential growth curves are for people on the placebos. The almost flat lines are for people on the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines, respectively. Oh, after just the initial dose, not the booster! [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/briefing/donald-trump-pardon-phil-spector-coronavirus-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/briefing/donald-trump-par... [2] https://www.cas.mhra.gov.uk/ViewandAcknowledgment/ViewAttachment.aspx?Attachment_id=103741 https://www.cas.mhra.gov.uk/ViewandAcknowledgment/ViewAttach...
- harry8 6y agoIs it known what the effect is on so-called "long covid" and other pretty serious long-term covid affects that might be suffered by people who don't get it badly enough to go to hospital?
- o-__-o 6y agoAnecdotal evidence I’ve been gathering points to the vaccine making long term covid go away. I have no idea how this works, but it is tempting me into signing up for the vaccine
- harry8 6y agoThat's the dream. It would be nice to have something better than anecdotal evidence. I hope we do. I wonder why the evidence of lack of it isn't being publicised.
- iainmerrick 6y agoOut of curiosity, why would you not want to sign up? All the vaccine results have been amazingly positive.
- lixtra 6y agoWhat’s the probability that today’s scientists look as ridiculous in a few decades as the ones from a few decades ago look like today? Asbestos was considered a great building material. While science had improved in absolute terms, there is a chance to screw up in new ways.
- iainmerrick 6y agoSounds like you’re not concerned about all scientific advances, you just want to give them enough to time to be sure there are no adverse side-effects. Vaccines have been around for a very long time and have proven to be incredibly effective and safe. Nobody is embarrassed about how the vaccines for smallpox, polio and measles have worked out (apart from some misinformation in recent years -- you’ll have to do your own research on that one. If you come to it with an open mind I think you’ll come to agree those vaccines are safe.)