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> Your post implies that there is no tool on earth that "sucks" and that it's not the tool, it's the person. I got more of a "stop complaining about tools. Pic

> Your post implies that there is no tool on earth that "sucks" and that it's not the tool, it's the person. I got more of a "stop complaining about tools. Pick one you like, use it and build something with IT instead. I feel the same way. Developers are a fickle bunch. One tool works, but then in order to be "cool" you have to bag on it and then propose some other obscure tool you think is better that nobody has ever heard of. It seriously reminds me of people arguing over music. Its totally uncool to like a mainstream band because everybody else likes that band and its not cool to like them. So then you have all the "cool" people who listen to all the obscure "awesome" bands who Rolling Stone magazine tells you to listen to, so then you go around telling people you listen to the Shithouse Rats. "Oh you've never heard of the Shithouse Rats? Well, they're kind of obscure." and now you're one of the of the cool kids.

01acheru 6y ago
Yeah that was my point, 100%! And by the way I really like you music analogy, and it’s emblematic of something even larger: they read about Shithouse Rats on Rolling Stone, named after a song of Bob Dylan or Muddy Waters or the group itself (don’t know which one) and all of them are quite famous and mainstream. You’ve got to love mankind, we are awesome!
skrtskrt 6y ago
I feel there can be a fair reason behind this, which is basically that using a tool no one else uses, even if it’s great for the use case, is likely to be a losing battle. Hard to get using it approved at work, less usage means fewer bugs are caught and features developed, etc. So people evangelize their favorite tools because it benefits them directly to have them adopted more widely.
Geminidog 6y ago
Music implies sort of an everything is just an opinion thing so your analogy does not fit. Think of it like horse drawn wagon vs. a car. There might exist a guy who in his humble opinion thinks the wagon is better so he use it to get places instead of a car but is that guy a reasonable guy? No. The analogy I mentioned above is more apt because Mongo was indeed at one point in time more of a wagon rather than an unpopular piece of music.
- danellis 6y ago
  It's a bit culturally insensitive to suggest that all Amish people are unreasonable.
  - Geminidog 6y ago
    https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/amish-sexual-abuse-assault/ https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/... And it's a bit insensitive to suggest that you support incest and child rape. Or am I reading to much into your post? Let's be honest here. You aren't suggesting that you support raping children anymore then I am suggesting the Amish are unreasonable. This cancel culture attitude of constantly calling out and classifying everything as some sort of infraction against a culture or a race has got to stop.
    - danellis 6y ago
      > This cancel culture attitude of constantly calling out and classifying everything as some sort of infraction against a culture or a race has got to stop. I agree. Unfortunately, sarcasm doesn't convey well in text.
jimbokun 6y ago
This is usually true. But every once in a while you have a case like WhatsApp, which sold to Facebook at a price of $500 million per engineer, which never could have happened without Erlang.

01acheru 6y ago

Yeah that was my point, 100%! And by the way I really like you music analogy, and it’s emblematic of something even larger: they read about Shithouse Rats on Rolling Stone, named after a song of Bob Dylan or Muddy Waters or the group itself (don’t know which one) and all of them are quite famous and mainstream. You’ve got to love mankind, we are awesome!

skrtskrt 6y ago

I feel there can be a fair reason behind this, which is basically that using a tool no one else uses, even if it’s great for the use case, is likely to be a losing battle. Hard to get using it approved at work, less usage means fewer bugs are caught and features developed, etc. So people evangelize their favorite tools because it benefits them directly to have them adopted more widely.

Geminidog 6y ago

Music implies sort of an everything is just an opinion thing so your analogy does not fit. Think of it like horse drawn wagon vs. a car. There might exist a guy who in his humble opinion thinks the wagon is better so he use it to get places instead of a car but is that guy a reasonable guy? No. The analogy I mentioned above is more apt because Mongo was indeed at one point in time more of a wagon rather than an unpopular piece of music.

danellis 6y ago
It's a bit culturally insensitive to suggest that all Amish people are unreasonable.
- Geminidog 6y ago
  https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/amish-sexual-abuse-assault/ https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/... And it's a bit insensitive to suggest that you support incest and child rape. Or am I reading to much into your post? Let's be honest here. You aren't suggesting that you support raping children anymore then I am suggesting the Amish are unreasonable. This cancel culture attitude of constantly calling out and classifying everything as some sort of infraction against a culture or a race has got to stop.
  - danellis 6y ago
    > This cancel culture attitude of constantly calling out and classifying everything as some sort of infraction against a culture or a race has got to stop. I agree. Unfortunately, sarcasm doesn't convey well in text.

jimbokun 6y ago

This is usually true. But every once in a while you have a case like WhatsApp, which sold to Facebook at a price of $500 million per engineer, which never could have happened without Erlang.