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This is the classic advertising doesn't work on me mentality. Whether you realise it or not, the algorithms behind these services are having a subtle impact on

This is the classic advertising doesn't work on me mentality. Whether you realise it or not, the algorithms behind these services are having a subtle impact on you and show you things for various shady reasons. For me, that was enough just to ditch those services. It's good to see that you're limiting your exposure to them though.

burnte 6y ago
To be honest, advertising DOES work on me, but only insomuch as it alerts me to potential things. I presume all ads are lies, and research the thing before I by. I have a strong anti-authority reflex and trust VERY little (if anything) on face value. I don't even trust myself. "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool.”
- beefield 6y ago
  > I don't even trust myself But you trust yourself so much that "advertising DOES work on me, but only insomuch as it alerts me to potential things" That sounds a bit contradictory to me. (I think I could describe myself somewhat like you did in the latter part, and I still have absolutely no illusions that ads would not be able to get me. So I just actively try to avoid them. And I do not need or want anyone to alert me on potential things. Even further, I try to live by the principle of never, ever making any kind of commercial transaction with anyone where I have not been the intiator of the communication.)
  - burnte 6y ago
    Well, I stated that it queues my interest, then I research it understanding it's probably not as good as it looks. I'm not sure I agree that's contradictory. I'm not saying they don't succeed in attracting me, I'm saying I don't buy based on ads.
    - beefield 6y ago
      The fact that you do not seem to believe that ads may be able to affect your behavior beyond your analytical research is the thing that is contradictory with you not trusting yourself. Or at least that is something I can't trust myself, even if I also happen to think I am beyond ads. But based on my observations in the society and other people, ads are way, way too powerful for me to trust my non-lizard brain here. So I just try to not give my lizard brain the ad exposure at all.
Dylan16807 6y ago
> This is the classic advertising doesn't work on me mentality. Only if you're massively moving the goalposts. The claim wasn't anything about "subtle impact" or "shady reasons". It was about whether those services are causing major stress and problems.

burnte 6y ago

To be honest, advertising DOES work on me, but only insomuch as it alerts me to potential things. I presume all ads are lies, and research the thing before I by. I have a strong anti-authority reflex and trust VERY little (if anything) on face value. I don't even trust myself. "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool.”

beefield 6y ago
> I don't even trust myself But you trust yourself so much that "advertising DOES work on me, but only insomuch as it alerts me to potential things" That sounds a bit contradictory to me. (I think I could describe myself somewhat like you did in the latter part, and I still have absolutely no illusions that ads would not be able to get me. So I just actively try to avoid them. And I do not need or want anyone to alert me on potential things. Even further, I try to live by the principle of never, ever making any kind of commercial transaction with anyone where I have not been the intiator of the communication.)
- burnte 6y ago
  Well, I stated that it queues my interest, then I research it understanding it's probably not as good as it looks. I'm not sure I agree that's contradictory. I'm not saying they don't succeed in attracting me, I'm saying I don't buy based on ads.
  - beefield 6y ago
    The fact that you do not seem to believe that ads may be able to affect your behavior beyond your analytical research is the thing that is contradictory with you not trusting yourself. Or at least that is something I can't trust myself, even if I also happen to think I am beyond ads. But based on my observations in the society and other people, ads are way, way too powerful for me to trust my non-lizard brain here. So I just try to not give my lizard brain the ad exposure at all.

Dylan16807 6y ago

> This is the classic advertising doesn't work on me mentality. Only if you're massively moving the goalposts. The claim wasn't anything about "subtle impact" or "shady reasons". It was about whether those services are causing major stress and problems.