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I don't understand how you could possibly be angry when you didn't even take the time to read the ToS.

by hoka-one-one 6y ago

gspr 6y ago
Do you read the ToS for every service that you use?
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  And reread it every time it was changed?
  - hoka-one-one 6y ago
    They notify you when it changes, so yes.
- freeflight 6y ago
  Equating speculative stock trading with opening a Facebook account is a very weird thing to do.
- deleted 6y ago
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- hoka-one-one 6y ago
  Yes.
FabHK 6y ago
You're right, but I'd not make that argument here. I made a similar argument when this recalcitrant doctor was pulled of a United plane a few years back, justified in my view, and in line with the conditions of carriage. But, yeah, HN crowd wasn't pleased. (Many said they'd never fly United again, and most people wouldn't... United share price dropped a bit, then went straight back up to where it was and beyond. Well, until COVID-19.) Edit to add: BTW, the point is not that you should always read the TOS. The point is that you should read the TOS before complaining if something unexpected happens.
OminousWeapons 6y ago
Considering that ToS are intentionally opaque / full of legalese the average person doesn't understand, and that companies can change their ToS pretty much without warning and with minimal notification to the end user ("here's an email resembling spam saying our terms of service have changed in some way"), I don't consider this to be a legitimate defense. With Schwab you sign a contract that can't trivially be changed. I don't remember doing any such thing with Robinhood.
- hoka-one-one 6y ago
  Why would you ever agree to something you can't even read? Your argument is such a cop out. If you can't read the ToS, take some English classes until you can.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    This is getting too dumb for me. Anyone can write incomprehensible sentences if they want to. They can also hide all the important details behind a lot of rambling. There is also the problem that reading every ToS is a denial of service attack on customers.
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    - hoka-one-one 6y ago
      Interesting observation.

I don't understand how you could possibly be angry when you didn't even take the time to read the ToS.

gspr 6y ago

Do you read the ToS for every service that you use?

matkoniecz 6y ago
And reread it every time it was changed?
- hoka-one-one 6y ago
  They notify you when it changes, so yes.
freeflight 6y ago
Equating speculative stock trading with opening a Facebook account is a very weird thing to do.
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hoka-one-one 6y ago
Yes.

FabHK 6y ago

You're right, but I'd not make that argument here. I made a similar argument when this recalcitrant doctor was pulled of a United plane a few years back, justified in my view, and in line with the conditions of carriage. But, yeah, HN crowd wasn't pleased. (Many said they'd never fly United again, and most people wouldn't... United share price dropped a bit, then went straight back up to where it was and beyond. Well, until COVID-19.) Edit to add: BTW, the point is not that you should always read the TOS. The point is that you should read the TOS before complaining if something unexpected happens.

OminousWeapons 6y ago

Considering that ToS are intentionally opaque / full of legalese the average person doesn't understand, and that companies can change their ToS pretty much without warning and with minimal notification to the end user ("here's an email resembling spam saying our terms of service have changed in some way"), I don't consider this to be a legitimate defense. With Schwab you sign a contract that can't trivially be changed. I don't remember doing any such thing with Robinhood.

hoka-one-one 6y ago
Why would you ever agree to something you can't even read? Your argument is such a cop out. If you can't read the ToS, take some English classes until you can.
- imtringued 6y ago
  This is getting too dumb for me. Anyone can write incomprehensible sentences if they want to. They can also hide all the important details behind a lot of rambling. There is also the problem that reading every ToS is a denial of service attack on customers.
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  - hoka-one-one 6y ago
    Interesting observation.