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That tactic worked out well during the French Revolution...
by the_drunkard 6y ago
That tactic worked out well during the French Revolution...
- malwarebytess 6y agoObligatory we are at higher inequality than immediately before the French Revolution. Wonder what that means? Some interesting reading: Professor Walter Scheidel examines the history of peace and economic inequality over the past 10,000 years - https://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-uncovers-grim-correlation-violence-inequality-millennia/ https://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-unco... Revolution and the Rebirth of Inequality - https://www.jstor.org/stable/2777764?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2777764?seq=1
- rjtavares 6y ago“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
- vetinari 6y ago"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
- psychlops 6y agoStalin empirically disproved that statement.
- cableshaft 6y agoFair point, so I guess if the leader gets really blatantly violent, along with enough government propaganda, it can stop a revolution.
- psychlops 6y agoI'd also make the argument that it's easier to do with today's technology than when Stalin did it.
- rjtavares 6y agoThe propaganda is easier, the violence is harder. Don't know how that balances out...
- imtringued 6y agoLuddites is also a good example. Oh, you are poor and starving and protesting on the streets? They start destroying machines? Time to arrest everyone, even those who did nothing.
- foobarian 6y agoGive the Revolutions podcast by Mike Duncan a listen. The French revolution was not what it seems... it was elites vs. elites, not peasants vs. monarchy.
- tarboreus 6y agoIt's always elites vs. elites. The problem now is that there's plenty of elites on the outs. Elite overproduction and all that.
- monadic3 6y agoDuncan makes it extremely clear the pressure came from the bread riots which were certainly not elite.
- orwin 6y agoIt's not as simple as that. I don't think any of Jean-Clément Martin books are translated to english, but its really not as simple as that.
- cambalache 6y agoYeah, what a weird take. As if La Bastille was attacked by French aristocracy. This argument only holds if you hold 2 very loose claims. 1) To confuse the leaders with the whole movement. 2) To compare the rag-tag group of young lawyers, acerbic journalists, disgruntled politicians with the whole ancien regime. Mike Duncan is an entertainer, not a professional historian.
- vetinari 6y agoThat tactic backfired multiple times in history, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague