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It’s a pretty classic tactic in the history of conflict. By pushing your opponent into a tight position, you force him to strike first, thus giving you complete
by ceilingcorner 6y ago
It’s a pretty classic tactic in the history of conflict. By pushing your opponent into a tight position, you force him to strike first, thus giving you complete justification in your disproportionate response.
- agumonkey 6y agoIt seems preprogrammed in the brain. I can witness that in people that will gradually boil you until you snap and then benefit from the chaos as revenge almost sub-conscientiously
- agilob 6y agoIt's a police tactic called Kettling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling
- sircastor 6y agoI’m kind of embarrassed to say it never occurred to me that the goal of kettling was to encourage a non-violent protest to violence. Thinking on it, it makes a sort of sick sense. If the people are actually violent the rules go out the window and you can use whatever force you deem necessary. And the police always consider themselves the superior group.
- WJW 6y agoThe link to the Wikipedia article explicitly mentions that is was originally designed to just coop up a crowd for several hours so that they get bored and the situation de-escalates. This was seen as a more effective and humane tactic than dispersing rioting crowds using fear by doing police charges. That said, 1990s era European protests (when the theory behind kettling was developed) were rather less violent than current day American protests, helped in no small part of course by the relative prevalence of firearms in American society and their higher distrust of police forces (again, compared to Europeans. Atm distrust between police and protesters in the USA seems to be in a vicious downward spiral where the actions of both group confirm the prejudices of the other group)
- maxerickson 6y agoLots of people call it a riot if a crowd does not immediately disperse when ordered to do so. Like super immediately.
- pjc50 6y agoKettling is one of the less provocative tactics, but it's intended as a collective punishment of the kettled: extra-legal detention for a period of hours with no food, water or toilet facilities. Police can and will provoke non-violent protests to violence. In a few cases (see the UK's "spycops" scandal) police infiltrators will organise protests so they can arrest dissidents.
- ihsw 6y agoInter arma enim silent leges
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- the_drunkard 6y agoThat tactic worked out well during the French Revolution...
- malwarebytess 6y agoObligatory we are at higher inequality than immediately before the French Revolution. Wonder what that means? Some interesting reading: Professor Walter Scheidel examines the history of peace and economic inequality over the past 10,000 years - https://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-uncovers-grim-correlation-violence-inequality-millennia/ https://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-unco... Revolution and the Rebirth of Inequality - https://www.jstor.org/stable/2777764?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2777764?seq=1
- rjtavares 6y ago“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
- vetinari 6y ago"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
- psychlops 6y agoStalin empirically disproved that statement.
- cableshaft 6y agoFair point, so I guess if the leader gets really blatantly violent, along with enough government propaganda, it can stop a revolution.
- psychlops 6y agoI'd also make the argument that it's easier to do with today's technology than when Stalin did it.
- Voloskaya 6y ago> It’s a pretty classic tactic in the history of conflict Yes when executed by a single coherent entity. This is not it, unless you believe there is a powerful cabal controlling twitter, facebook, robinhood, discord etc. They are all doing it independtly to limit the legal and/or financial risks for themselves. Getting people to "strike first" is not the intent, saving $ is the intent here.
- Footkerchief 6y agoMoney is the greatest coordinating force in the history of civilization.
- ceilingcorner 6y agoDoesn’t need to be a grand conspiracy, merely the same reaction by multiple independent entities.
- Voloskaya 6y agoYou are talking about result, I am talking about intent. Yes the result might be the same, but there is no intent to "force him to strike first, thus giving you complete justification in your disproportionate response". Only intent here is ass covering.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoApple, Amazon and Google killing Parler in lockstep isn't coherent enough for you?
- Voloskaya 6y agoNo it's not, the moment Parler became a liability to them they dumped it. It for some reason it was to become good business again tomorrow, they would jump to host it again. There is no intent on the part of the GAFAs to force the lower class into a revolution to get a pretext to squash them or any bigger "art of the war" plan behind those decisions than money.