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I wonder what percentage of otherwise very liberal Amazon devs read sentences like "The company for years successfully fought off labor organizing efforts in th
by CobrastanJorji 6y ago
I wonder what percentage of otherwise very liberal Amazon devs read sentences like "The company for years successfully fought off labor organizing efforts in the U.S." and come away thinking "we're definitely the good guys."
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- nostromo 6y agoHonest question: does the Democratic Party care about labor anymore? It feels like anti-Trumpism, identity issues (race, trans issues, etc.), and immigration have sucked all the oxygen out of the room. I can’t remember the last time I saw a Democrat run with supporting labor as their headline issue.
- vdnkh 6y agoOn the off chance you're serious, here's Biden's union stance https://joebiden.com/empowerworkers/ https://joebiden.com/empowerworkers/.
- Mountain_Skies 6y agoActions > Words
- the-dude 6y agoYou left out climate. In NW Europe it is no different : anything goes as long as it not labor.
- Jcampuzano2 6y agoAs far as I know they very much do support labor issues, they just haven't been as much of the flavor of the month lately due to the headlines of racial, transgender, and other related political issues since those usually garner more views in the media. Part of the reason may be that the divide between Democrats and Republicans is much wider on those issues vs labor issues.
- pydry 6y agoI rather thought that the function of these other issues was to suck the oxygen out of the room so they didn't have to talk about labor issues. Their donors tend to be wealthy and anti-union.
- rjbwork 6y agoGenerally the point of most social wedge issues from the point of view of the moneyed and political elite is to not have to talk about any kind of economic issues that affect the bulk of society, yes.
- asdff 6y agoAnd also to divide the working class vote. Could you imagine how progressive this country could be if the working poor was united and consistently voted in line with their economic interests? FDRs ghost would be dancing in the street.
- logicslave 6y agoYou arent aloud to say this!
- pugets 6y agoThere are a lot of liberal/leftist communities online with that same gripe. Democrats pander to "pop politics" but have no plans for labor reform, healthcare reform, etc. that would go a long ways to helping the majority of the people in this country. It's all theater.
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- LatteLazy 6y agoObamacare got a lot of workers at places like amazon warehouses healthcare. Cancelling student debt will help a shit tonne more workers. He has a section on his campaign website addressing Union specifics: https://joebiden.com/empowerworkers/ https://joebiden.com/empowerworkers/ Well see what he can actually does, but with the senate in democrat hands, the sky is the limit.
- txsoftwaredev 6y ago"Cancelling student debt will help a shit tonne more workers." I will feel terrible if that ever happens for folks that were smart with money and didn't incur tons of debt. It's gonna be a real bummer when you learn that you paid off your educational debt or never had any and that now you get to pay off debt of others that made bad decisions.
- kuang_eleven 6y agoI, as someone with no outstanding student debts anymore, would be ecstatic to have universal student loan forgiveness. It is the right thing to do, and part of being a conscientious citizen is advocating for issues that help society, even if they don't help yourself.
- txsoftwaredev 6y agoHave you considered reaching out to some students or grads with debt and writing them a check to help them pay off their debt?
- LatteLazy 6y agoYou're describing me. I agree emotionally. But that's life, if you actually believe in education you can only really pay if forwards...
- Sohcahtoa82 6y agoWhat a shitty attitude. "bad decisions" Imagine thinking that earning a degree was a "bad decision".
- myownpetard 6y agoThe Democratic Party is too large of an umbrella these days. Anybody whose primary concerns are among fiscal responsibility/the deficit, public education, effective foreign policy, civil rights, human rights, political corruption, science based public health/policy, climate change, domestic extremism, an independent judiciary etc. has moved into the democratic party. The Republican Party is for people whose primary concern is one of a theocratic judiciary, paying less taxes if you make more than $400k/yr, white nationalism, extractive industries, military contractors, unrestricted access to any/all classes of firearms. In both of those groups there are large pro-business, anti-labor contingents. Hopefully one day we will move to ranked choice voting and other mechanisms that allow 3rd parties to compete and we can have more meaningful and direct connections between parties and specific policies instead of these two loose coalitions.
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoHave you ever talked to a single Republican? You’re way off base, especially with the race baiting.
- moate 6y agoWhat do you view the Republican platform as being? What specifically is he wrong about?
- edmundsauto 6y agoOP is wrong about unrestricted access to all weapons. And not all Republicans are anti-abortion, although that is a big part of their platform due to the control it gives over evangelicals. (That is to say, I think if there is a schism, the more centric version of the party would not be anti-abortion.) Also, white nationalism is only embraced by a small percentage of the party. It's not really part of their platform, it's just what the loudest shouters in the party want. (Disclaimer: I do not identify as repbulican, but if this is your best faith effort to define their platform, you lack empathy for them which means you'll never understand even their lucid ideas. Granted, many of their ideas are vague and not lucid.)
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago> I can’t remember the last time I saw a Democrat run with supporting labor as their headline issue. Bernie Sanders and AOC would like a word. Most of their platform is based around supporting the working class.
- amzsdethrowaway 6y agoWhy would you think any of us think that?
- Ericson2314 6y agoWell, let's see some solidarity with the warehouse rank and file to prove it.
- DenisM 6y agoSometime during the last year the usually heavily statist left became heavily corporatist. I'm not sure what to make of it.
- MaslowsPyramid 6y agoBased on purely anecdotal evidence, I agree. I've seen an increased number of supposed "eat the rich" types voicing support for corporate interests, to an almost laughable degree of irony. For instance, Twitter users who have "#eattherich" in their bio saying that social media should be left unregulated because the owners of the platforms should be able to do whatever they want with it.
- sudosysgen 6y agoThe way I see it is that among those, they haven't actually been able to form a leftist worldview free of economic liberalism. It's normal, because modern opposing alternatives are basically completely absent from the mainstream.
- DenisM 6y ago> haven't actually been able to form a leftist worldview free of economic liberalism Very good point! I did not think of this at all. Perhaps the collapse of the Soviet Union discredited the planned economy as means of social equalization and they never quite regained their footing.
- sudosysgen 6y agoThere is actually a lot more to non-liberal economics than planned economies, but certainly the collapse of the Soviet Union would play a part in it. If I had to analyze the root cause of it though, I'd say the proximate cause really is Cultural Hegemony. Pretty much every piece of media and every interaction you have assumes liberal economics so much that it is very hard to even realize that you are working within that framework. An unknown known, kinda.
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- tinyhouse 6y agoIt doesn't matter if there's a union or not. It matters what actually is being done. From the news it seems that Amazon has been consistently improving conditions of its warehouse employees. For example, making the minimum wage $15/hour.
- robert_foss 6y agoEven if unions are affecting no change, their are able to give the workers at least some power. Who knows, maybe they'll make Amazon to allow unmetered bathroom breaks one day.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoBathroom breaks aren't metered in Amazon warehouses.
- calvano915 6y agoBesides using your own break time to go, they are absolutely metered for many direct roles in the exact sense that using the restroom can decrease your speed performance metrics which can lead to progressive coaching or other negative consequences. It literally is considered time off task (TOT) when you stop for a restroom break outside of your scheduled break times. There is always the option for people with increased medical restroom needs to seek specific accommodations to essentially excuse the TOT for their needs.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoMaybe there’s a confusion of terms here, because I think everything you’re saying is what it means for a bathroom break to be unmetered. You can go to the restroom whenever you’d like, as long as you’re getting the work done. If you had specific declared bathroom breaks where the company keeps count and pauses performance metrics for the duration, that’s what I’d call metered breaks.
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- franczesko 6y agoThe harsh truth is that RSUs stand higher in the list of priorities, than other people's problems.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y agoRSUs are an effective way for workers to get a better chunk of the actual value they create. The negotiating power of unions is another.