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Seems logical and what my anecdotal experience has been from talking with friends and family. There is one exception. There is a small percentage of far-right a

• jolmg 6y ago
  > The list could go on. I'd think the biggest would be more freedom with respect to making work more compliant to social distancing.
• MartianSquirrel 6y ago
  I would tend to think the education level also plays a role, and considering wealthier individuals usually have a better access to education/are more educated (read correlation not causation here), said individuals might have a better grasp off what is happening. Edit: Remote working is also easier when you have an office job Edit 2: I hope more research like this will come out so we can prepare and protect the ones who are more at risk when the next pandemic comes. Uderstanding the risk factors and how a disease spreads is the first step of debugging it. Sadly it is the first pandemic where we have the necessary tools to track all the information and analyse it. We have been lucky the death rate was not much higher
  • nicbou 6y ago
    That makes sense, given how much statistics they throw at you. Logarithmic scales, R numbers, per-100000 values, percentages etc. That's on top of all the numbers you must remember to relativise the daily news. I wonder how much of it I'd grasp if I hadn't used maths since high school.
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  • JacksonGariety 6y ago
    You really think right-wingers are too stupid to grasp the concept of the virus?
    • MartianSquirrel 6y ago
      I did not mentionned political affiliations. I don't understand why everyone seems to focus on politics recently. Yes, there have been troubling events, but the world did not stop revolving
      • exclusiv 6y ago
        Well the top comment mentioned far-right so that's probably why the parent dropped that. Separately, I don't think it was a productive comment.
        • MartianSquirrel 6y ago
          Fair enough, that part did not register as OP said it was "anecdotical" and in his experience
      • netizen-9748 6y ago
        GP comment mentions far-right wealthy people not socially distancing, the commenter you are replying to seems to have connected that with the parent's comment on education.
      • mushbino 6y ago
        We could put a heat map of political affiliation, education, and income to see if maybe a correlation. Not too difficult to find out.
      • JacksonGariety 6y ago
        The comment you replied to is about right-wing response to the virus. Still, barring the political stuff (supposing that's possible)—your comment implies that people who wear masks do so because they are educated. I'd suggest that it is far more likely that they do so because they are deferential to authority by default. EDIT: s/smart/educated
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• Spivak 6y ago
  This is all true but I would still consider it surprising that it's such a strong predictor of mask wearing and staying physically separated from people. The behaviors they studied cost nothing and are equally available and beneficial to the rich and poor alike so it's odd that it has any correlation to income at all.
  • throwaway3699 6y ago
    If the only respite to being locked indoors is going outside, of course people are going to dislike masks. It's a constant reminder that there's nowhere to escape from the current situation.
    • war1025 6y ago
      Do people commonly wear masks outside in some places? Where I live, we have more or less universal mask wearing in stores, but the only reason people wear masks outside is that they are about to head into a business or are just leaving one. What's the point of wearing a mask outside?
      • jdavis703 6y ago
        In the Bay Area masks are required indoors and outdoors whenever within 30 feet of people. For apartment dwellers there’s been no way to legally enjoy fresh air for the last 10 months.
        • war1025 6y ago
          Sounds miserable.
        • jacobolus 6y ago
          This is an exaggeration. SF as an example says you can be without your mask if you are: > • Sitting or standing outside alone or with people you live with (such as picnicking outside) and you are more than 6 feet from others; • When eating or drinking alone or with people you live with, and nobody else is within 6 feet; • Exercising outdoors alone or with people who live with you (walking, hiking, bicycling, or running) and no one else is within 6 feet Realistically though, there is no enforcement anywhere outside. If you want to go walking or running around outside on the sidewalk without a mask, nobody is going to stop you. You might get a funny look. If you crowd someone's personal space without a mask they might be uncomfortable. Please wear your mask if you plan to spend extended stretches of time near other people.
• PrefixKitten 6y ago
  this is my thinking as well. I was already excruciatingly isolated and lonely beforehand. I'm not gonna pass up what few social opportunities I get just to avoid a little risk
• beervirus 6y ago
  White collar jobs tend to be more flexible with working from home too. If I worked at a factory all day in close proximity to others, I wouldn’t bother distancing when I was off the clock.
• zeku 6y ago
  Yeah I would hope they adjusted for work. I'm a SWE working remotely until the pandemic is over and the guy at my house today fixing my plumbing is in people's homes every day. It's pretty unfair/easy comparison that doesn't really say much if you don't adjust for work.
  • phnofive 6y ago
    You might be surprised by the plumber’s income bracket.
    • el_benhameen 6y ago
      This is a common trope and is true for some journeymen/business owners, but does not necessarily apply to the majority of plumbers and tradespeople in general. The guy that Whoops-O-Rooter sends to your house to snake your drains or fix a leak is not likely to be in a high income bracket.
      • jvalencia 6y ago
        My contractor service friends spend a goodly portion of their income on Google Ads or their business evaporates.
        • TeMPOraL 6y ago
          A prime example of why advertising is zero-sum and should be restricted across the board. Would free up so much money for businesses to use on something worthwhile, with no net loss in customers.
          • XargonEnder 6y ago
            I see the logic in your argument and if I were king I'd look into this. However in my real life advertising is how I make money and I have to do it to stay in business.
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• manicdee 6y ago
  There is also the issue that people with higher disposable incomes can afford to not work, while people with low or zero disposable income need every hour of work they can scrounge up, so they don’t have the choice to not work.
  • threatofrain 6y ago
    > There is also the issue that people with higher disposable incomes can afford to not work. People with savings or wealth can afford not to work.
    • imbnwa 6y ago
      Can't forget the white collars also living paycheck-to-paycheck for whatever reason
• jorblumesea 6y ago
  I'd say the biggest difference is where you make your money. Income and ability to work remotely seems pretty strongly correlated due to its probably white collar nature, and this normalizes social distancing. If you work in a grocery store, chances are you are desensitized to some of the ideas.
• achenatx 6y ago
  you specify far right, but it is also the left, in my experience. They dont flaunt it because they need to toe the party line. At the same time they are railing at trump for not promoting masks more, they are flying to go skiing. Mayor adler of austin got extended family together, had a wedding, then took a private jet to cabo where he recorded a video encouraging austinites to stay home. Most of my friends are liberals and many are eating in restaurants, taking trips, getting together without masks "with a select" group of friends that they are quarantining with etc. They say the right thing, but are doing something different. Your confirmation bias and the media says it is the right. Here is an example of hollywood stars that got infected. https://www.vulture.com/article/famous-people-celebrities-with-coronavirus.html https://www.vulture.com/article/famous-people-celebrities-wi... Here is an article about prominent dems not following guidance. https://www.businessinsider.com/democratic-politicians-who-violated-covid-19-rules-guidance-list-2020-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/democratic-politicians-who-v...
  • asdff 6y ago
    Here's an example of congressional republicans refusing to wear masks while sheltering in place during the recent siege on the capitol: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/democrats-have-covid-congress-riot-face-masks-republicans/65-63330de5-cf3a-47e2-866f-9823899eb4ed https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/democrats-have-c...
  • shakezula 6y ago
    > you specify the far right Because they were the ones who outright rejected masks? It's not like this is a bias being cast on them unfairly, the right has rejected masks on a basis of personal freedom (whether you agree with that take or not) and have been extremely vocal about it. That being said, Democrats and leftists are people too - they're fallible. This pandemic has taught me that humans are far more social than I think most people realize, that we get bored incredibly quickly, and that we will normalize anything and live around it. Masks have become commonplace, and pretty much all content & media produced in 2020 will be immediately recognizable by the masks everyone is wearing. Interestingly enough, I have seen pretty much 100% mask adherence in teenagers. I live by a high school and see them walk by all wearing masks even after school. > Mayor adler of austin got extended family together, had a wedding, then took a private jet to cabo where he recorded a video encouraging austinites to stay home. Yeah, the rich don't give a shit about the rules and guidelines, but what's new? Not following extreme quarantine protocols is probably very low on my list of criticisms for that mayor. > They say the right thing, but are doing something different. I've noticed the same thing with my liberal friends, but I have to remember that they're at least trying. They wear masks when they're hanging out and not eating, they're more aware of hand-washing, they don't share drinks, etc... You can't just look at the one thing they're doing to cling to a sense of normalcy. I wouldn't hold a right wing person to any more stringent of a standard, either. My problem with it has been the right's general rejection of any type of public safety measures. I've been in an extreme quarantine because I live with an immuno-compromised person, but I have to remember that different people have different risk tolerances, and that at this point it's hardly the fault of people going to restaurants and that it was mostly our governments complete lack of action that lead to us being on this path. Honestly, I just wish that it had never been politicized in the first place so that we didn't have to have silly conversations about political leanings of people given only how they respond to a pandemic. I guess I can't even talk about that without recognizing that our President is the one who politicized it, so :shrug:
• s1artibartfast 6y ago
  To be fair, the paper also looked at behaviors like increased washing you hands and found that they tracked with income as well.
• asdff 6y ago
  >There is a small percentage of far-right and wealthy that largely ignores social distancing, in my experience. Case in point, republican lawmakers refusing to wear masks while sheltering during the far right insurrection last week: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/democrats-have-covid-congress-riot-face-masks-republicans/65-63330de5-cf3a-47e2-866f-9823899eb4ed https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/democrats-have-c...
• lightgreen 6y ago
  > There is a small percentage of far-right and wealthy that largely ignores social distancing There's a small percentage of far-left and wealthy that also ignore social distancing (like SF Mayor). Let's not point finger and further assign blame.
  • paxys 6y ago
    The fact that when a few people from the left break quarantine rules it becomes front page news – while half the country (including every GOP politician) has been living the past year as if a pandemic doesn't exist – actually shows that one side is a lot more serious about it than the other.
    • lightgreen 6y ago
      > people from the left break quarantine rules it becomes front page news It got to the front pages not because of breaking quarantine per se, but because of their hypocrisy: they wanted quarantine for everyone except themselves. GOP politicians were consistent: they criticised quarantine and violated quarantine.
      • paxys 6y ago
        I didn't say they don't deserve to be criticized - they absolutely do. But pointing at a handful of high profile democrats breaking quarantine rules and then saying "see both sides are the same" is extremely disingenuous.
        • lightgreen 6y ago
          Talking like "There is a small percentage of far-right and wealthy that largely ignores social distancing" is extremely disingenuous. I was wanted to just point to that. And generally discourage from assigning labels like "far-right".
• exporectomy 6y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sense a bit of classism in your comment. Seemingly excusing poor people's unsafe behavior because they lack the wealth needed to do it better. However, lots of things are correlated with wealth but not caused by it. Such an explanation could be that the same tendency to take care of things in your life which is helpful for becoming wealthy also causes greater care for personal health or more careful following of social norms.
  • jhanschoo 6y ago
    > Higher-income individuals were more likely to report being able to work from home and more likely to have transitioned to telework instead of losing their job. The researchers found the ability to telework emerged as a huge predictor of whether someone would social distance. Compared to somebody who continued to work, people able to telework were 24% more likely to social distance. > The team found lower-income respondents faced increased chances of job and income losses due to the pandemic and limited access to remote work. They were also more likely to live in homes with no access to the outdoors – access to outdoor space was a very strong predictor of social distancing, the researchers found. People with access to open air at home were 20% more likely to social distance. > All of these burdens ensured those earning the least would have a harder time adopting social-distancing behaviors, which could have prolonged the pandemic, the team found. Social distancing was simply more practical, comfortable and feasible for people with more income.
    • exporectomy 6y ago
      Those are only some factors and don't account for the entire wealth difference. I agree they are part of the explanation though. Women social distanced more than men which is consistent with women generally being more careful about their health than men. They couldn't explain it with women telecommuting more or having bigger houses. It's not hard to imagine that other lifelong lifestyle habits have a significant influence on people's behavior. Wealthiness isn't allocated randomly to people. It goes to people who already have different behaviors so of course they're going to behave differently in many contexts. I find it ridiculous that people consider high income to be a fundamental source of good things, rather than being interconnected causally in both directions with many other aspects of a person's life. High income people are also less likely to smoke which doesn't make sense from a wealth-enables-behavior standpoint because they can afford to spend more on cigarettes. Seatbelt use is also positively correlated with income which surely can't be explained by some greater convenience wealthy people have for putting on a seatbelt.
• m463 6y ago
  I believe being wealthy just correlates with independence. Your needs can be met with short transactional interactions with others. People with few or no resources are interdependent with or dependent on others.