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NSA UFO Documents Index
- orliesaurus 6y agoIf there's something out there, I hope it gets "officially" announced in my life-time.
- justinclift 6y agoWouldn't that depend on how it's done? eg A "War of the Worlds" style announcement probably isn't something to hope for ;)
- netdur 6y agoSomeone is reading this and amazed they still have not figured out nature of his experiential airplane
- onelovetwo 6y agoA man made drone would be the easiest things to rule out for them
- jolincost 6y agoYeah or his ground-based holographic projection tech, or hers. Hehe
- ghostbrainalpha 6y agoThe redactions on some of these documents are absolutely ridiculous. What is the point for releasing documents in a state that leaves them completely useless.
- nycdatasci 6y agoSome of these are interesting. Here's one that is completely unredacted: https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/ufo/joint_chiefs_staff_report.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/decla...
- baryphonic 6y agoVery difficult to read, but fascinating.
- uhtred 6y agoThat last part with the small farmhouse in the middle of nowhere comes across like something out of close encounters. Very cool.
- dole 6y agoThis slightly more legible one [1] elsewhere in the thread has some redacted parts that this one doesn't. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25766074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25766074 Where'd the objects go or what happened to them? Why'd the F-4 drop the chase and why didn't they try to scramble more jets?
- levmiseri 6y agoMade a transcription of this one for easier reading: https://kvak.io/?n=cpga1l1t1a144 https://kvak.io/?n=cpga1l1t1a144
- INTPenis 6y agoJust a wild stab in the dark here but those redactions might have to do with SIGINT. Or in other words, how the UFO report came to be. Because when I saw this headline "NSA UFO Documents Index" hosted on nsa.gov, I realized why I don't care about UFO theories. Because even the NSA has given up. No sane person cares about this stuff. They will readily index it on their website to shut those lunatics up.
- Abishek_Muthian 6y agoI agree, Countries were even reluctant disclose whether MH370 was registered on their military radar in order to not reveal their capabilities.
- jjtheblunt 6y agoAgreed; that said, there's an Ancient Aliens tv series that acts serious but, I think, is mostly recognized for being hilarious...so frivolous I've actually watched it because it's just so laughable.
- smolder 6y agoThere are people out there vulnerable to the BS due to ignorance that could be shown how to apply skepticism, or taught more about science/history, but the bullshit is just as prominent and available, or more so. Your peers may be the right combination of smart and knowledgeable to be immune, but it's best not to assume that it's harmless in general to broadcast ancient aliens style junk.
- FillardMillmore 6y agoI was on my honeymoon with my fiancee and at the end of the night, we liked to relax by opening a bottle of champagne and watching Ancient Aliens. Don't get me wrong, both of us believe in the possibility of life in outer space but that show was funnier than most modern sitcoms. Heck, even Monster Quest was more believable.
- ghostbrainalpha 6y agoI don't know how you can't at least find this document interesting. It's a first hand account of what was basically a dogfight between a US pilot and a UFO over Iran. https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/ufo/routing_slip_ufo_iran.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/decla... Even if you assume that whatever he encountered was made on Earth, its hard not to have questions or be interested in the account.
- me_me_me 6y agoIn order to comply with regulations. Its pure bureaucracy at work. You can still infer some info from the context or meta to build some kind of picture.
- ForRealsies 6y agoProject Bluebeam everyone. We are being prepped, and have been prepped long before Independence Day (1996) to come together and unite as One World against a foreign adversary. Build back better
- cookiengineer 6y agoIt's dangerous to go alone. Take this [1] and this [2] and especially this [3]. Area 51 was a radar testing site due to the unique properties of the salt on the ground. And they just tested a "silver shiny UFO" which was the prototype for the SR-71. And yes, this was exactly the same date when people first called radio stations and the police for UFO sightings. The Skunkworks A-12 OXCART research project led to the final SR-71 design for the CIA's spy planes. More details on this on the CIA website for the Archangel project in the web archive [4]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A12radartesting.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A12radartesting.jpg [4] http://web.archive.org/web/20201112000409/https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/a-12 http://web.archive.org/web/20201112000409/https://www.cia.go...
- edge17 6y agoI'm just going to plug this book because it's so good and adds a lot more color to these comments - https://www.amazon.com/Skunk-Works-Personal-Memoir-Lockheed/dp/0316743003 https://www.amazon.com/Skunk-Works-Personal-Memoir-Lockheed/... For context, this book covers history on the development of these UFOs and was written by Ben Rich, who worked at and eventually led the Lockheed division that developed these planes. If nothing else, it's a fascinating account of many historical events from a totally different vantage point.
- uhtred 6y agoNone of those planes look like UFOs and they wouldn't move in the same reported ways, either. I don't agree that it makes someone stupid to be open minded.
- cookiengineer 6y ago> None of those planes look like UFOs and they wouldn't move in the same reported ways, either. Yet today's pop culture conspiracy theorists tried to raid Area 51 for their beliefs. Don't get me wrong: I believe in alien life. But I don't believe in conspiracy theorists that are blind to the obvious in correlations of evidence. Scientific theory is about bayesian reasoning, not about proving to yourself that you're right; which is a likely phenomenon in the thinking nature of conspiracy theorists.
- mikewarot 6y agoThe next to last was the most interesting to me... it's gotta be an old April Fools in the NSA Technical Journal. It flatly states we've received signals from outer space, and posits a decoding of them.... https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/decla...
- seanyesmunt 6y agoWhy do you think it is an April Fools prank?
- marcan_42 6y agoIt's obviously a crypto challenge to anyone who has ever played them. It maps way too nicely to human concepts. This is what every amateur putting together an "alien challenge" without attempting to be scientific about it ends up doing, and it's easy to tell. That's fine if you're doing it for fun, but it's obviously not real. And that is confirmed: https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a19257/nsa-key-to-extraterrestrial-messages/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a19257/nsa-key-to-ext... I've been here solved that. ACM tried to run an challenge about an "alien computer" that was obviously not alien, but ended up being very real. I was part of the team that reverse engineered it first, but the whole contest collapsed and all interest waned after we ended up finding the very-much-not-alien chip involved by accident. We did cover the initial process, but unfortunately never got around to writing the follow-up posts. https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2012/unprogramming-intro/ https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2012/unprogramming-intro/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160304030848/http://queue.acm.org/unprogramming.cfm https://web.archive.org/web/20160304030848/http://queue.acm....
- Rebelgecko 6y agoIf aliens were actually found, it definitely wouldn't be announced in an unclassified document shared with everyone at NSA. Although I don't think it's a prank per se, just someone who wrote a cryptography puzzle and wanted to frame it in a cute way.
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- avl999 6y agoAt this point the existence of the UFO phenomenon is undeniable. The fact that congress attached to the covid relief bill that the intelligence services must present a report of everything they know about ufos within a 180 days tells you that something is up and they are trying to force the hand of the intelligence service. I also find it interesting that since retiring Harry Read has openly talked about the existence of UFOs. Congress must force the government agency to immediately release all ufo related info to the public. The public has the right to know.
- nickelcitymario 6y ago> congress attached to the covid relief bill They did? Got a link? I tried a Google search but found nothing.
- brianskarda 6y agohttps://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relief-bill-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relie...
- nickelcitymario 6y agoThanks!
- franksvalli 6y agoIt can be found in the Committee Comments portion of the Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) for Fiscal Year 2021 (search for "unidentified aerial phenomena"): https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/intelligence-authorization-act-fiscal-year-2021 https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/intelligenc... Via Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/180-day-countdown-ufo/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/180-day-countdown-ufo/
- nickelcitymario 6y agoThanks!
- anewaccount2021 6y agoIf you say there are civilizations thriving somewhere in the galaxy, you're Carl Sagan. If you say our solar system may have had aliens pass by, you're an eccentric. If you say aliens landed on earth, you're a crank. Why is the sanity of the claimant inversely proportional to the distance of aliens from Earth?
- at_a_remove 6y agoBriefly put: the speed of light. It takes a long, long time to get anywhere, because light moves at a relative crawl compared to the distances between stars, so it would be a long and energy-intensive process to visit another planet, especially given how hard it would be to detect a civilization there before you departed. The Earth didn't emit much of a signal on radio waves until about 1900, so even if the aliens were only sixty light years away and could move at the speed of light, they'd have had to launch just as soon as they got some signals. Ah, but FTL, you say. But nothing. FTL implies Closed Timelike Curves: time travel, or the informational equivalent, with all of the logical paradoxes that can entail. I'd sooner believe in breaking the conservation of mass-energy than beating the speed of light.
- cgriswald 6y agoI think your sibling poster has it right: lack of evidence. All the speed of light problems can be ameliorated. The entire galaxy could be visited (if not colonized) in a relatively short amount of time by something like a Von Neumann probe at even 0.01c. The 'aliens' needn't be biological.
- heyitsguay 6y agoAgreed but to be fair - mass-energy is not conserved across intergalactic scales.
- subsubzero 6y agoThe speed of light is a constant but we are still very behind in terms of understanding the universe and physics, we still do not have a unified theory which bridges general relativity to quantum mechanics. We know next to nothing about dark matter(haven't found any yet), also in terms of energy production we have not achieved - room temperature superconducting and fusion reactors. We can barely get rockets outside of earths orbits, let alone to our closest celestial neighbor the moon. That being said, I think given our current technological shortcomings we are in no position to rule out 100% possibility of life from another world being here.
- motohagiography 6y agoWent through the CIA one as well, and it's almost designed to be opaque and vague. UFO's create interesting ethical questions and can be useful thought experiments for contemporary issues. A good one is where, say you are checking in on a civilization to see whether it's about to become space faring, and given the amount of energy required for it, the tech is dangerous to any other civilization these recent space arrivers might find. The question is whether they're going to pose a threat to the regional galactic order, and if they haven't got their cultural act together, do you let them? Second, if you do intervene, does their new knowledge of the intervention of an intermediate power harm their social and ethical development, given their entire political economy and ethics will switch from discovered principles, to merely competing to appeal to the most powerful force they can? (I think this would make them impossible to trust.) Could it recover and develop on its own if you arrived and chose some of them for benefits but not others? Do you pick the most dominant, or the species with the most suitability to become part of the space faring community. It costs them nothing to wipe us out and spare the universe the trouble, so what must they believe about life, the universe, and everything to not do so. Economics may be universal, etc. I don't think these are dumb questions at all, and they resemble ones that state dept's make very day, so I don't dismiss people interested in UFOs as they are interested in some pretty useful questions.
- justinclift 6y ago> Second, if you do intervene ... Bear in mind that intervention doesn't have to be obvious. In our current networked world, there's a lot which a more-advanced-than-us group or civilisation could do without needing to reveal themselves as such. ;)
- gremlinsinc 6y agohow many of us have met a congressmen, senator, media personality in person? How hard would it be for a super advanced society to insert a media network that's all basically ai-generated people? We already have deep fakes, imagine the tech they might have that's deep fakes after 50 generations... They could control us from a small satellite without needing to come anywhere near us,just by controlling what we see, think, or hear on the television.
- msdnsditlabs 6y agoIf any UFO actually visible then news will start surrounding in every channels. There always some intentions to Wandering off from some topic that are going on any country. That is clear politics. People always jump on some topics even though they know that it's politics.
- Pyramus 6y agoI'm a bit surprised by the loss of nuance in this and the CIA HN thread. UFOs doesn't mean aliens, and equating the two limits fruitful discussions about the actual phenomena behind them, which in my opinion are much more interesting, and, based on your prior, also much more likely, e.g. * yet unexplained physical/weather phenomena (see David Fraser et al. evidence) * secret military technology (see SR-71 sightings) * ... ?
- marc_io 6y agoSure, people should at least use the more modern acronym UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), which is less descriptive and broader in scope than UFO.
- cosmiccatnap 6y agoYou are currently the only comment in this thread to imply any of this is extraterrestrial.
- biolurker1 6y agoChinese drones are amazing these days huh
- levmiseri 6y agoTranscription of one of the more interesting, but difficult to read, document: https://kvak.io/?n=cpga1l1t1a144 https://kvak.io/?n=cpga1l1t1a144
- jolincost 6y agoGreat, thank you so much!!